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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Yoder Stuart-B08248 <B08248-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
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Subject: Re: RFC:  vfio / iommu driver for hardware with no iommu
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:56:29 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1366736189.2918.573.camel@bling.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9F6FE96B71CF29479FF1CDC8046E15035BE0A3-TcFNo7jSaXPiTqIcKZ1S2K4g8xLGJsHaLnY5E4hWTkheoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 16:13 +0000, Yoder Stuart-B08248 wrote:
> Joerg/Alex,
> 
> We have embedded systems where we use QEMU/KVM and have
> the requirement to do device assignment, but have no
> iommu.  So we would like to get vfio-pci working on
> systems like this.
> 
> We're aware of the obvious limitations-- no protection,
> DMA'able memory must be physically contiguous and will
> have no iova->phy translation.  But there are use cases
> where all OSes involved are trusted and customers can
> live with those limitations.   Virtualization is used
> here not to sandbox untrusted code, but to consolidate
> multiple OSes.
> 
> We would like to get your feedback on the rough idea.  There
> are two parts-- iommu driver and vfio-pci.
> 
> 1.  iommu driver
> 
> First, we still need device groups created because vfio
> is based on that, so we envision a 'dummy' iommu
> driver that implements only  the add/remove device
> ops.  Something like:
> 
>     static struct iommu_ops fsl_none_ops = {
>             .add_device     = fsl_none_add_device,
>             .remove_device  = fsl_none_remove_device,
>     };
>     
>     int fsl_iommu_none_init()
>     {
>             int ret = 0;
>     
>             ret = iommu_init_mempool();
>             if (ret)
>                     return ret;
>     
>             bus_set_iommu(&platform_bus_type, &fsl_none_ops);
>             bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type, &fsl_none_ops);
>     
>             return ret;
>     }
> 
> 2.  vfio-pci
> 
> For vfio-pci, we would ideally like to keep user space mostly
> unchanged.  User space will have to follow the semantics
> of mapping only physically contiguous chunks...and iova
> will equal phys.
> 
> So, we propose to implement a new vfio iommu type,
> called VFIO_TYPE_NONE_IOMMU.  This implements
> any needed vfio interfaces, but there are no calls
> to the iommu layer...e.g. map_dma() is a noop.
> 
> Would like your feedback.

My first thought is that this really detracts from vfio and iommu groups
being a secure interface, so somehow this needs to be clearly an
insecure mode that requires an opt-in and maybe taints the kernel.  Any
notion of unprivileged use needs to be blocked and it should test
CAP_COMPROMISE_KERNEL (or whatever it's called now) at critical access
points.  We might even have interfaces exported that would allow this to
be an out-of-tree driver (worth a check).

I would guess that you would probably want to do all the iommu group
setup from the vfio fake-iommu driver.  In other words, that driver both
creates the fake groups and provides the dummy iommu backend for vfio.
That would be a nice way to compartmentalize this as a
vfio-noiommu-special.

Would map/unmap really be no-ops?  Seems like you still want to do page
pinning.  Also, you're using fsl in the example above, but would such a
driver have any platform dependency?  Thanks,

Alex

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-23 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-23 16:13 RFC: vfio / iommu driver for hardware with no iommu Yoder Stuart-B08248
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2013-04-23 16:56   ` Alex Williamson [this message]
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2013-04-23 18:36       ` Sethi Varun-B16395
2013-04-23 19:16       ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
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2013-04-23 19:47           ` Alex Williamson
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2013-04-24 19:41               ` Don Dutile
     [not found]                 ` <51783553.80202-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-25  2:49                   ` Sethi Varun-B16395
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2013-04-25 22:23                       ` Don Dutile
     [not found]                         ` <5179ACE8.2030506-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-27  4:22                           ` Andrew Cooks
2013-04-30 17:28                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
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2013-04-30 17:54                                 ` Alex Williamson
2013-04-30 18:13                                 ` Don Dutile
     [not found]                                   ` <518009D3.2050304-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-30 19:11                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
     [not found]                                       ` <20130430191131.GC24298-6K5HmflnPlqSPmnEAIUT9EEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-30 20:48                                         ` Don Dutile
     [not found]                                           ` <51802E19.9050601-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-30 21:15                                             ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]                                               ` <1367356521.22436.7.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-30 21:51                                                 ` Don Dutile
2013-04-30 18:25                                 ` Don Dutile
2013-04-24 10:57   ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]     ` <20130424105718.GJ17148-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-24 11:04       ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
     [not found]         ` <6A3DF150A5B70D4F9B66A25E3F7C888D06FF5799-RL0Hj/+nBVCMXPU/2EZmt64g8xLGJsHaLnY5E4hWTkheoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-24 15:22           ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2013-04-24 11:52       ` Sethi Varun-B16395

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