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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Alex Williamson
	<alex.williamson-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Singh,
	Varinder"
	<Varinder.Singh-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Sundaram,
	Rajesh" <Rajesh.Sundaram-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kimmel,
	Jeff" <jeff.kimmel-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
	<iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Shankar,
	Hari" <Hari.Shankar-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Spiller,
	John" <John.Spiller-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] On unmap, flush IOMMU TLB and return correct size
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:52:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1380135148.28494.26.camel@i7.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1380130588.3030.342.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>


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On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 11:36 -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 17:05 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > Why would it ever care? If it *happens* to map something that can use
> > large pages, yay!. If it subsequently breaks apart those large pages by
> > unmapping 4KiB in the middle, let the IOMMU driver break that apart.
> 
> Can this be done atomically?  I thought part of the reason for this
> interface was that iommu drivers typically couldn't replace a huge page
> with multiple smaller pages in the presence of DMA.

For the Intel IOMMU it can. You can atomically change from a large page
entry, to a pointer to a full set of smaller page tables. Do the IOTLB
flush, and at no time is there an interruption in service.

Not sure if this is true for *all* IOMMU hardware; I'd be perfectly
happy to accept a variant of Jörg's proposal that we should only ever
unmap exactly the same range that we mapped. Except we should allow the
unmapping of adjacent regions together; just not a partial unmap of
something that was mapped in one go.


> > Seriously, just the address and the size. Let the IOMMU code deal with
> > whether it can *actually* use large pages on the particular set of
> > IOMMUs that are in use for the devices you've added to the domain so
> > far.
> 
> You're contradicting yourself here.  Just let the iommu deal with it,
> but now you're raising concerns that Intel may be mixing super page
> IOMMU hardware with non-super page IOMMU hardware on the same box, so I
> do need to be concerned, yet there's no interface to discover super page
> support. 

No contradiction. Do Not Concern Yourself. Just tell the IOMMU what you
want mapped, and where. Let *it* worry about whether it can use
superpages or not. Like it already *does*.

>  What happens if my IOMMU domain makes use of super pages and
> then I add a new device behind a new IOMMU without hardware super page
> support? 

Currently, you end up with the domain happily including superpages, and
the less capable IOMMU that you added later won't cope. What we probably
*ought* to do is walk the page tables and convert any pre-existing
superpages to small pages, at the time we add the non-SP-capable IOMMU.

FWIW we currently screw up the handling of cache-coherent vs.
non-coherent page tables too. That one wants a wbinvd somewhere when we
add a non-coherent IOMMU to the domain.

-- 
dwmw2

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-25 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-02  2:24 [PATCH] On unmap, flush IOMMU TLB and return correct size Shankar, Hari
     [not found] ` <CE494510.41547%hshankar-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-03  4:25   ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]     ` <1378182340.3246.19.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-05  4:05       ` Shankar, Hari
     [not found]         ` <CE4D489F.41EE8%hshankar-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-05  4:58           ` Alex Williamson
2013-09-22  2:59   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]     ` <1379818740.2547.51.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 15:54       ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]         ` <20130925155459.GA20372-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 16:05           ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]             ` <1380125113.28494.14.camel-W2I5cNIroUsVm/YvaOjsyQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 16:58               ` Joerg Roedel
2013-09-25 17:36               ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]                 ` <1380130588.3030.342.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 18:52                   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <1380135148.28494.26.camel-W2I5cNIroUsVm/YvaOjsyQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 19:44                       ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]                         ` <1380138243.5197.20.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 20:11                           ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                             ` <1380139886.28494.31.camel-W2I5cNIroUsVm/YvaOjsyQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 21:46                               ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]                                 ` <1380145560.5197.94.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 22:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                     ` <1380147348.28494.37.camel-W2I5cNIroUsVm/YvaOjsyQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 22:40                                       ` Alex Williamson
2013-09-25 16:33           ` Alex Williamson
2013-10-02 15:04       ` David Woodhouse

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