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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] iommu: Add range flush operation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:40:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150929164014.GL21513@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <560ABBE0.8020805-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 05:27:12PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
> Eh, swings and roundabouts. An argument denoting whether the flush is being
> called on the map or unmap path would be fine,

Sorry, that statement is wrong.  It's not about whether you flush before
or after the DMA operation.  I'm afraid I'm probably going to tell you
how to suck eggs here, because I don't think you quite "get it" with
non-dma-coherent modern CPUs.

Modern CPUs prefetch data into their caches, and they also randomly write
back data from their caches to memory.  When performing a DMA operation
from device to memory, you need to do two things with CPU caches which
aren't coherent:

1. Before starting the DMA operation, you need to walk over the memory to
   be mapped, ensuring that any dirty cache lines are written back.  This
   is to prevent dirty cache lines overwriting data that has already been
   DMA'd from the device.

2. After the DMA operation has completed, you need to walk over the
   memory again, invalidating any cache lines which may have been
   speculatively loaded from that memory while DMA was running.  These
   cache lines may have been loaded prior to the DMA operation placing
   the new data into memory.

So, it's not a before-or-after, you have to always perform write-back
cache maintanence prior to any DMA operation, and then invalidate cache
maintanence after the DMA operation has completed for any mapping which
the DMA may have written to (which means device-to-memory and
bidirectional mappings.)

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-29 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-29  5:25 [RFC PATCH 0/3] iommu: Add range flush operation Tomasz Figa
     [not found] ` <1443504379-31841-1-git-send-email-tfiga-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29  5:25   ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] iommu: Add support for out of band flushing Tomasz Figa
     [not found]     ` <1443504379-31841-2-git-send-email-tfiga-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29  9:32       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20150929093257.GE9460-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 11:56           ` Tomasz Figa
2015-09-29  5:25   ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] memory: tegra: add TLB cache line size Tomasz Figa
     [not found]     ` <1443504379-31841-3-git-send-email-tfiga-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29  9:43       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20150929094348.GF9460-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 12:11           ` Tomasz Figa
2015-09-29  5:25   ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] iommu/tegra-smmu: Make the driver use out of band flushing Tomasz Figa
2015-09-29  9:27   ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] iommu: Add range flush operation Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20150929092714.GD9460-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 11:54       ` Tomasz Figa
2015-09-29 12:22       ` Joerg Roedel
2015-09-29 12:20   ` Joerg Roedel
2015-09-29 14:20   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]     ` <560A9E36.9030903-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 14:32       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]         ` <20150929143241.GI21513-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 16:27           ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]             ` <560ABBE0.8020805-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 16:40               ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <20150929164014.GL21513-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 17:13                   ` Robin Murphy

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