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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Fredrik Noring" <noring-zgYzP9v7iJcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	"Alan Stern"
	<stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>,
	"Jürgen Urban" <JuergenUrban-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: WARN_ON(irqs_disabled()) in dma_free_attrs?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:58:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180315075831.GB12136@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d0659e5e-4be7-9a1e-fb8e-b418962d74de-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 05:43:46PM +0000, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> Looking back I don't really understand why we even indirect the "classic"
>> per-device dma_declare_coherent_memory use case through the DMA API.
>
> It certainly makes sense for devices which can exist in both shared-memory 
> and device-local-memory configurations, so the driver doesn't have to care 
> about the details (particularly on mobile SoCs where the 'local' memory 
> might just be a chunk of system RAM reserved by the bootloader, and it's 
> just a matter of different use-cases on identical hardware).

Well, the "classic" case for me is memory buffers in the device.  Setting
some memory aside, either in a global pool as now done for arm-nommu
or even per-device as on some ARM SOCs is different indeed.

As far as I can tell the few devices that use 'local' memory always
use that.

>> It seems like a pretty different use case to me.  In the USB case we
>> also have the following additional twist in that it doesn't even need
>> the mapping to be coherent.
>
> I'm pretty sure it does (in the sense that it needs to ensure the arch code 
> makes the mapping non-cacheable), otherwise I can't see how the bouncing 
> could work properly. I think the last bit of the comment above 
> hcd_alloc_coherent() is a bit misleading.

Well, if it isn't marked non-cacheable we'd have to do dma_cache_sync
operations for it.  Which would probably still be faster than non-cacheable
mappings.

>> So maybe for now the quick fix is to move the sleep check as suggested
>> earlier in this thread, but in the long run we probably need to do some
>> major rework of how dma_declare_coherent_memory and friends work.
>
> Maybe; I do think the specific hcd_alloc_coherent() case could still be 
> fixed within the scope of the existing code, but it's not quite as clean 
> and straightforward as I first thought, and the practical impact of 
> tweaking the WARN should be effectively zero despite the theoretical edge 
> cases it opens up. Do you want me to write it up as a proper patch?

Yes.  Including a proper comment on why the might_sleep is placed there.

My mid-term plan was to actually remove the gfp flags argument from
the dma alloc routines as is creates more confusion than it helps.
I guess this means we'll at least need to introduce a DMA_ATTR_NON_BLOCK
or similar flag instead then unfortunately.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-15  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-02 18:07 WARN_ON(irqs_disabled()) in dma_free_attrs? Fredrik Noring
     [not found] ` <20180302180704.GA3846-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-02 19:55   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]     ` <bfe85e97-2974-06ee-8c6d-f8e8a83348ea-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-02 21:47       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-03  7:58       ` Fredrik Noring
2018-03-02 21:37   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20180302213711.GA30356-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-03  8:22       ` Fredrik Noring
     [not found]         ` <20180303082234.GB24991-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-03 16:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]             ` <20180303161249.GA9516-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-03 18:19               ` Fredrik Noring
     [not found]                 ` <20180303181904.GA19076-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-04 15:58                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1803041054540.13805-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-04 17:59                       ` Fredrik Noring
     [not found]                         ` <20180304175949.GB2368-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-05  2:05                           ` Alan Stern
2018-03-05 15:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                     ` <20180305151010.GA15965-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-11 18:01                       ` Fredrik Noring
     [not found]                         ` <20180311180124.GA27731-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-13 12:11                           ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                             ` <5696e17e-e0f4-4e6c-7783-4eeea0ff7a5e-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-13 13:17                               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                 ` <20180313131745.GC6260-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-14 17:43                                   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                     ` <d0659e5e-4be7-9a1e-fb8e-b418962d74de-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-15  7:58                                       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
     [not found]                                         ` <20180315075831.GB12136-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-15 13:11                                           ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                             ` <dfc5505e-9ab9-2d81-2fc5-623730a68ba9-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-06-22 14:56                                               ` Fredrik Noring

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