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From: Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Ravi V Shankar
	<ravi.v.shankar-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andy Shevchenko
	<andriy.shevchenko-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Gayatri Kammela
	<gayatri.kammela-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/5] Add Intel IOMMU debugfs support
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:37:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180319093714.3afe698b@jacob-builder> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180315131854.s6xmltsvsysublcw-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:18:54 +0100
Joerg Roedel <joro-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 08:38:11AM -0800, Jacob Pan wrote:
> > Just wondering if your concern is on the implementation or the
> > debugfs idea in general. Perhaps have some common IOMMU debugfs?  
> 
> My concern mainly is that we add interfaces which reveal
> potentially security relevant information
I don;t think security is any worse than existing kernel page table in
debugfs. i.e. /sys/kernel/debug/page_tables
This is a debug feature.
> to user-space and that tools
> come up using it so that this also becomes kABI and we can't easily
> change it anymore and this whole stuff turns into a maintence
> nightmare.
> 
Agreed, perhaps we can address that by only dumping user readable data
which avoid having a parser tool that relies on stable kABI?

> So that is definitly not something I'd like to see enabled in the
> distros, and its better to avoid it at all and search for better ways
> to debug upcoming issues.
> 
We can make it "def_bool n" so only used by advanced customers who can
recompile kernel.
> BPF tracers and tracing in general comes to mind here...
> 
my concern is that tracing is suitable for dynamic debugging, but these
context info are mostly static. Perhaps I am missing some tracing
features.

Thanks,

Jacob
> 
> 	Joerg
> 

[Jacob Pan]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-19 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-03  0:49 [PATCH v7 0/5] Add Intel IOMMU debugfs support Sohil Mehta
     [not found] ` <1517619001-148586-1-git-send-email-sohil.mehta-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-03  0:49   ` [PATCH v7 1/5] iommu/vt-d: Relocate struct/function declarations to its header files Sohil Mehta
2018-02-03  0:49   ` [PATCH v7 2/5] iommu/vt-d: Enable debugfs support to show context internals Sohil Mehta
2018-02-03  0:49   ` [PATCH v7 3/5] iommu/vt-d: Add debugfs support to show register contents Sohil Mehta
2018-02-03  0:50   ` [PATCH v7 4/5] iommu/vt-d: Add debugfs support to show Pasid table contents Sohil Mehta
2018-02-03  0:50   ` [PATCH v7 5/5] iommu/vt-d: Add debugfs support for Interrupt remapping Sohil Mehta
2018-02-04 14:13   ` [PATCH v7 0/5] Add Intel IOMMU debugfs support Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-13 14:03   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-02-13 21:40     ` Raj, Ashok
2018-02-13 22:53       ` Jacob Pan
2018-02-15  9:53         ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]           ` <20180215095337.fccoozdclfnbepi4-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-15 16:38             ` Jacob Pan
2018-03-15 13:18               ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]                 ` <20180315131854.s6xmltsvsysublcw-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-19 16:37                   ` Jacob Pan [this message]
2018-03-29  8:48                     ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]                       ` <20180329084824.fvy7cg2wban4by4n-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29 15:52                         ` Gary R Hook
2018-03-29 16:05                         ` Jacob Pan
2018-02-18 22:15       ` Yves-Alexis Perez
     [not found]         ` <1518992132.2542.5.camel-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-20 22:25           ` Jacob Pan
2018-02-22  7:48             ` Yves-Alexis Perez
     [not found]               ` <1519285717.2388.11.camel-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-22 17:09                 ` Jacob Pan

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