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From: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 2/3] virtio-iommu: device probing and operations
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:00:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <454095c4-cae5-ad52-a459-5c9e2cce4047@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D190D7BAB1@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On 21/08/17 08:59, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>> From: Jean-Philippe Brucker [mailto:jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com]
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 11:06 PM
>>>>>>   1. Attach device
>>>>>>   ----------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> struct virtio_iommu_req_attach {
>>>>>> 	le32	address_space;
>>>>>> 	le32	device;
>>>>>> 	le32	flags/reserved;
>>>>>> };
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attach a device to an address space. 'address_space' is an identifier
>>>>>> unique to the guest. If the address space doesn't exist in the IOMMU
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your description this address space ID is per operation right?
>>>>> MAP/UNMAP and page-table sharing should have different ID spaces...
>>>>
>>>> I think it's simpler if we keep a single IOASID space per virtio-iommu
>>>> device, because the maximum number of address spaces (described by
>>>> ioasid_bits) might be a restriction of the pIOMMU. For page-table
>> sharing
>>>> you still need to define which devices will share a page directory using
>>>> ATTACH requests, though that interface is not set in stone.
>>>
>>> got you. yes VM is supposed to consume less IOASIDs than physically
>>> available. It doesn’t hurt to have one IOASID space for both IOVA
>>> map/unmap usages (one IOASID per device) and SVM usages (multiple
>>> IOASIDs per device). The former is digested by software and the latter
>>> will be bound to hardware.
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, I'm using address space indexed by IOASID for "classic" IOMMU, and
>> then contexts indexed by PASID when talking about SVM. So in my mind an
>> address space can have multiple sub-address-spaces (contexts). Number of
>> IOASIDs is a limitation of the pIOMMU, and number of PASIDs is a
>> limitation of the device. Therefore attaching devices to address spaces
>> would update the number of available contexts in that address space. The
>> terminology is not ideal, and I'd be happy to change it for something more
>> clear.
>>
> 
> (sorry to pick up this old thread, as the .tex one is not good for review
> and this thread provides necessary background for IOASID).
> 
> Hi, Jean,
> 
> I'd like to hear more clarification regarding the relationship between 
> IOASID and PASID. When reading back above explanation, it looks
> confusing to me now (though I might get the meaning months ago :/).
> At least Intel VT-d only understands PASID (or you can think IOASID
> =PASID). There is no such layered address space concept. Then for
> map/unmap type request, do you intend to steal some PASIDs for
> that purpose on such architecture (since IOASID is a mandatory field 
> in map/unmap request)?

IOASID is a logical ID, it isn't used by hardware. The address space
concept in virtio-iommu allows to group endpoints together, so that they
have the same address space. I thought it was pretty much the same as
"domains" in VT-d? In any case, it is the same as domains in Linux. An
IOASID provides a handle for communication between virtio-iommu device and
driver, but unlike PASID, the IOASID number doesn't mean anything outside
of virtio-iommu.

I haven't introduced PASIDs in public virtio-iommu documents yet, but the
way I intend it, PASID != IOASID. We will still have a logical address
space identified by IOASID, that can contain multiple contexts identified
by PASID. At the moment, after the ATTACH request, an address space
contains a single anonymous context (NO PASID) that can be managed with
MAP/UNMAP requests. With virtio-iommu v0.4, structures look like the
following. The NO PASID context is implicit.

                    address space      context
    endpoint ----.                                  .- mapping
    endpoint ----+---- IOASID -------- NO PASID ----+- mapping
    endpoint ----'                                  '- mapping

I'd like to add a flag to ATTACH that says "don't create a default
anonymous context, I'll handle contexts myself". Then a new "ADD_TABLE"
request to handle contexts. When creating a context, the guest decides if
it wants to manage it via MAP/UNMAP requests (and a new "context" field),
or instead manage mappings itself by allocating a page directory and use
INVALIDATE requests.

                    address space      context
    endpoint ----.                                  .- mapping
    endpoint ----+---- IOASID ----+--- NO PASID ----+- mapping
    endpoint ----'                |                 '- mapping
                                  +--- PASID 0  ---- pgd
                                  |     ...
                                  '--- PASID N  ---- pgd

In this example the guest chose to still have an anonymous context that
uses MAP/UNMAP, along with a few PASID contexts with their own page tables.

Thanks,
Jean

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-21 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-07 19:17 [RFC 0/3] virtio-iommu: a paravirtualized IOMMU Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:17 ` [RFC 2/3] virtio-iommu: device probing and operations Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-18 10:26   ` Tian, Kevin
2017-04-18 18:45     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-21  9:02       ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]         ` <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D190CB262D-0J0gbvR4kThpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24 15:05           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-08-21  7:59             ` Tian, Kevin
2017-08-21 12:00               ` Jean-Philippe Brucker [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <454095c4-cae5-ad52-a459-5c9e2cce4047-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-22  6:24                   ` Tian, Kevin
2017-08-22 14:19                     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-08-23  2:23                       ` Tian, Kevin
2017-04-07 19:17 ` [RFC 3/3] virtio-iommu: future work Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]   ` <20170407191747.26618-4-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-21  8:31     ` Tian, Kevin
2017-04-24 15:05       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-26 16:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-04-07 19:23 ` [RFC PATCH linux] iommu: Add virtio-iommu driver Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-06-16  8:48   ` [virtio-dev] " Bharat Bhushan
2017-06-16 11:36     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24 ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 00/15] Add virtio-iommu Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 01/15] virtio: synchronize virtio-iommu headers with Linux Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 02/15] FDT: (re)introduce a dynamic phandle allocator Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 03/15] virtio: add virtio-iommu Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 04/15] Add a simple IOMMU Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 05/15] iommu: describe IOMMU topology in device-trees Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 06/15] irq: register MSI doorbell addresses Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 07/15] virtio: factor virtqueue initialization Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 08/15] virtio: add vIOMMU instance for virtio devices Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 09/15] virtio: access vring and buffers through IOMMU mappings Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 10/15] virtio-pci: translate MSIs with the virtual IOMMU Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 11/15] virtio: set VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM when necessary Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 12/15] vfio: add support for virtual IOMMU Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 13/15] virtio-iommu: debug via IPC Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 14/15] virtio-iommu: implement basic debug commands Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 19:24   ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 15/15] virtio: use virtio-iommu when available Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]   ` <20170407192455.26814-1-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22  8:26     ` [RFC PATCH kvmtool 00/15] Add virtio-iommu Bharat Bhushan
     [not found]       ` <AM5PR0401MB2545FADDF2A7649DF0DB68309AF80-oQ3wXcTHOqrg6d/1FbYcvI3W/0Ik+aLCnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-22 14:01         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-07 21:19 ` [RFC 0/3] virtio-iommu: a paravirtualized IOMMU Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-04-10 18:39   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-10 20:04     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-04-12  9:06 ` Jason Wang
     [not found]   ` <a0920e37-a11e-784c-7d90-be6617ea7686-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-13  8:16     ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]       ` <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D190CA990E-0J0gbvR4kThpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-13 13:12         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found] ` <20170407191747.26618-1-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-07 19:17   ` [RFC 1/3] virtio-iommu: firmware description of the virtual topology Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]     ` <20170407191747.26618-2-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-18  9:51       ` Tian, Kevin
2017-04-18 18:41         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-21  8:43           ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]             ` <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D190CB2570-0J0gbvR4kThpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24 15:05               ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-04-10  2:30   ` Need information on type 2 IOMMU valmiki
     [not found]     ` <1b48daab-c9e1-84d1-78a9-84d3e2001f32-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10  4:19       ` Alex Williamson
2017-04-13  8:41   ` [RFC 0/3] virtio-iommu: a paravirtualized IOMMU Tian, Kevin
2017-04-13 13:12     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker

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