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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, quic_bqiang@quicinc.com, kvalo@kernel.org,
	prestwoj@gmail.com, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	ath11k@lists.infradead.org, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, kernel@quicinc.com,
	johannes@sipsolutions.net, jtornosm@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC/RFT] vfio/pci: Create feature to disable MSI virtualization
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 19:30:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0aspby6.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240813163053.GK1985367@ziepe.ca>

On Tue, Aug 13 2024 at 13:30, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 10:59:12AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> vfio-pci has always virtualized the MSI address and data registers as
>> MSI programming is performed through the SET_IRQS ioctl.  Often this
>> virtualization is not used, and in specific cases can be unhelpful.
>> 
>> One such case where the virtualization is a hinderance is when the
>> device contains an onboard interrupt controller programmed by the guest
>> driver.  Userspace VMMs have a chance to quirk this programming,
>> injecting the host physical MSI information, but only if the userspace
>> driver can get access to the host physical address and data registers.
>> 
>> This introduces a device feature which allows the userspace driver to
>> disable virtualization of the MSI capability address and data registers
>> in order to provide read-only access the the physical values.
>
> Personally, I very much dislike this. Encouraging such hacky driver
> use of the interrupt subsystem is not a good direction. Enabling this
> in VMs will further complicate fixing the IRQ usages in these drivers
> over the long run.
>
> If the device has it's own interrupt sources then the device needs to
> create an irq_chip and related and hook them up properly. Not hackily
> read the MSI-X registers and write them someplace else.
>
> Thomas Gleixner has done alot of great work recently to clean this up.
>
> So if you imagine the driver is fixed, then this is not necessary.

Yes. I looked at the at11k driver when I was reworking the PCI/MSI
subsystem and that's a perfect candidate for a proper device specific
interrupt domain to replace the horrible MSI hackery it has.

> Howver, it will still not work in a VM. Making IMS and non-MSI
> interrupt controlers work within VMs is still something that needs to
> be done.

Sure, but we really want to do that in a generic way and not based on ad
hoc workarounds.

Did the debate around this go anywhere?

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-13 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2024-01-14 14:36                         ` ath11k and vfio-pci support Kalle Valo
2024-01-15 17:46                           ` Alex Williamson
2024-01-16 10:08                             ` Baochen Qiang
2024-01-16 10:41                               ` David Woodhouse
2024-01-16 15:29                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-16 18:28                                 ` Alex Williamson
2024-01-16 21:10                                   ` Jeff Johnson
2024-01-17  5:47                                 ` Baochen Qiang
2024-03-21 19:14                                 ` Johannes Berg
2024-08-12 16:59 ` [PATCH RFC/RFT] vfio/pci: Create feature to disable MSI virtualization Alex Williamson
2024-08-13 16:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-13 17:30     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2024-08-13 23:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-12-13  9:10       ` David Woodhouse
2025-01-03 14:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-03 14:47           ` David Woodhouse
2025-01-03 15:19             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-13 21:14     ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-13 23:16       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 14:55         ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-14 15:20           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-12 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC/RFT] vfio/pci-quirks: Quirk for ath wireless Alex Williamson
2024-08-13 16:43   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-13 21:03     ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-13 23:37       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 16:59         ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-15 17:19           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-16 14:58             ` James Prestwood
2026-03-16 15:43               ` James Prestwood

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