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From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	Daniel Mentz <danielmentz@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Print better events records
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:43:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zt/OY4mKZhnOqyhG@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zt8wrkj7Fg4W8lUf@google.com>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2024 at 05:30:22PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:

> > > > > My only real concern is the fragility of using bitfields. I don't _think_
> > > > > the compiler is obliged to lay them out in the obvious way and I can't
> > > > > think of anything worse than being given a bad pretty-print when debugging
> > > > > a real driver issue!
> > >
> > > Well, if compiler is going to be an issue, I can't disagree with
> > > your point.
> > >
> > > Any reference to some existing issue with compiler failing to lay
> > > out properly? I wonder how other headers could define their unions
> > > using bitfields and stay safe..
> >
> > It's not so much about buggy compilers, but more that I don't think the
> > C standard defines the order and so relying on it can be fragile. If you
> > fancy going to the effort of ensuring that LLVM and GCC will agree on
> > the "obvious" layout forever more, then don't let me stop you ;)

I see!
 
> Hmmm.. +1
> I had some time, so.. I dived into the C specification[1] (free draft)
> to look for bitfield layouts, under section 6.7.2.1, point 11
> (page 101 of the pdf), and I see the following paragraph:
> 
> "An implementation may allocate any addressable storage unit large
> enough to hold a bit-field. If enough space remains, a bit-field that
> immediately follows another bit-field in a structure shall be packed
> into adjacent bits of the same unit. If insufficient space remains,
> whether a bit-field that does not fit is put into the next unit or
> overlaps adjacent units is implementation-defined. The order of
> allocation of bit-fields within a unit (high-order to low-order or
> low-order to high-order) is implementation-defined. The alignment
> of the addressable storage unit is unspecified."

Thanks for digging into the standard doc!

> However, I'm not sure how these "implementations" comprehend the spec.
> 
> > Will
> 
> > > I am trying to learn here: apart from what Will mentioned above,
> > > is there any other reason to stay away from bitfield?
> 
> One more thing I can think of is Alignment faults on certain archs.
> Accessing individual bitfields within the struct could lead to unaligned
> memory accesses. I have run into alignment faults on $ARCH=arm64 couple
> of times while using packed structs in the kernel code.

OK. It seems that we should stay safe with verbose FIELD_GETs then.

Thank you
Nicolin

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-10  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-27 19:30 [PATCH v2 0/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Parse out event records Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-08-27 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Print better events records Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-08-29  6:36   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-29 23:54     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-08-30  1:45       ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-02  8:23         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-09-02 23:02           ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-05 16:06             ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-09-06  1:55               ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-06 12:55                 ` Will Deacon
2024-09-06 16:39                   ` Robin Murphy
2024-09-06 18:42                     ` Nicolin Chen
2024-09-09 14:45                       ` Will Deacon
2024-09-09 17:30                         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-09-10  4:43                           ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2024-11-04 16:40       ` Daniel Mentz
2024-08-27 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Adopt arm_smmu_event in handlers Pranjal Shrivastava
2024-08-29  5:20   ` Nicolin Chen
2024-08-30  0:06     ` Pranjal Shrivastava

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