From: Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@sunsite.dk>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>, Tom Rini <trini@ti.com>,
"Fernandes, Joel A" <joelagnel@ti.com>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, tony@atomide.com,
Linux@theia.denx.de, Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
u-boot@lists.denx.de, Grant Likely <glikely@secretlab.ca>,
OMAP List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
ARM Kernel List <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [U-Boot] [RFC] Kbuild support for ARM FIT images
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:56:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878v6hfkt6.fsf@dell.be.48ers.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130221182724.GA14329@obsidianresearch.com> (Jason Gunthorpe's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:27:24 -0700")
>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> writes:
Hi,
Jason> We've been using DT on production embedded stuff sice about 2.6.20ish
Jason> on PPC and now ARM. We treat the dtb as a kernel version specific
Jason> file, much like an initrd and ensure that the kernel only ever boots
Jason> with its proper dtb. This is based on experience that the dtbs change
Jason> depending on the state of the drivers in the kernel, what gets
Jason> mainlined and when, etc.
Jason> Embedding this stuff into the bootloader is *not* desirable for my
Jason> embedded scenarios. We don't use FIT (or uboot) but we do the same
Jason> thing: a single image is constructed with the proper dtb, kernel and
Jason> initrd, and that is what the bootloader boots.
Jason> Why? This is an embedded appliance product. We need to be able to
Jason> deliver firmware upgrades that *work*. We can't brick the board
Jason> because the bootloader and kernel get out of sync. The boot loader has
Jason> to be *simple*, it has to boot every past, present and future kernel
Jason> or we start taking risks that a firmware flash will end up bricking
Jason> it.
I'm having the exact same experience (and handle it in the same way).
I know this was not the intention of DT, but unfortunately this is how
things have turned out so far.
--
Bye, Peter Korsgaard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-21 20:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-21 1:37 [RFC] Kbuild support for ARM FIT images Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 4:26 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 7:15 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 18:58 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:18 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:29 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 19:03 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 10:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 13:20 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:46 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 14:08 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 14:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 14:46 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 17:25 ` [U-Boot] " Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 17:40 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 19:37 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 20:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 21:18 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-22 0:10 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:39 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 20:48 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 18:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 20:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 21:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 22:05 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:50 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22 2:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 0:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:41 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 2:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 23:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 2:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 3:32 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 7:56 ` Jason Kridner
2013-02-22 17:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 6:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 23:45 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 20:56 ` Peter Korsgaard [this message]
2013-02-21 17:37 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 18:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-23 8:38 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-22 16:00 ` Olof Johansson
2013-03-18 16:36 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 16:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 17:49 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 17:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 18:04 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 18:14 ` [U-Boot] " Stephen Warren
2013-03-18 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 19:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 18:29 ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini
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