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(p200300d82f4d0e00029859cc25140052.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [2003:d8:2f4d:e00:298:59cc:2514:52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3cf33fb9db4sm31599368f8f.47.2025.09.05.06.28.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Sep 2025 06:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0118a233-90fc-484b-b539-d8df641a25ad@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:28:00 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: next-20250905: x86_64: udpgso_bench.sh triggers NULL deref in zerocopy_fill_skb_from_iter From: David Hildenbrand To: Eric Dumazet , Naresh Kamboju Cc: Netdev , "open list:KERNEL SELFTEST FRAMEWORK" , open list , lkft-triage@lists.linaro.org, Linux Regressions , "David S. 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Re-validation is in progress >>> >>> First seen on next-20250905 >>> Bad: next-20250905 >>> Good: next-20250904 >>> >>> Test regression: next-20250905 x86_64 selftests net BUG kernel NULL >>> pointer dereference zerocopy_fill_skb_from_iter >>> >>> Reported-by: Linux Kernel Functional Testing >>> >>> x86_64: >>> Test: >>> * selftests: net: udpgso_bench.sh >>> >>> Test error: >>> selftests: net: udpgso_bench.sh >>> ipv4 >>> tcp >>> >>> >>> >>> # tcp zerocopy >>> [ 991.110488] SELinux: unrecognized netlink message: protocol=4 >>> nlmsg_type=19 sclass=netlink_tcpdiag_socket pid=64835 comm=ss >>> # RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument >>> [ 991.129878] BUG: kernel NULL pointer dereference, address: 0000000000000008 >>> [ 991.136850] #PF: supervisor read access in kernel mode >>> [ 991.141986] #PF: error_code(0x0000) - not-present page >>> [ 991.147118] PGD 0 P4D 0 >>> [ 991.149657] Oops: Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP PTI >>> [ 991.153661] CPU: 0 UID: 0 PID: 64842 Comm: udpgso_bench_tx Tainted: >>> G S 6.17.0-rc4-next-20250905 #1 PREEMPT(voluntary) >>> [ 991.165907] Tainted: [S]=CPU_OUT_OF_SPEC >>> [ 991.169825] Hardware name: Supermicro SYS-5019S-ML/X11SSH-F, BIOS >>> 2.7 12/07/2021 >>> [ 991.177209] RIP: 0010:zerocopy_fill_skb_from_iter >>> (include/linux/page-flags.h:284) >>> [ 991.182954] Code: 4d 85 c0 0f 84 04 01 00 00 44 39 c7 41 0f 4d f8 4c >>> 63 de 4a 8b 54 dc 30 49 89 d6 4d 29 ce 49 c1 fe 06 49 d3 ee 4d 85 f6 >>> 74 24 <48> 8b 4a 08 f6 c1 01 0f 85 cb 00 00 00 0f 1f 44 00 00 31 c9 48 >>> f7 >>> All code >>> ======== >>> 0: 4d 85 c0 test %r8,%r8 >>> 3: 0f 84 04 01 00 00 je 0x10d >>> 9: 44 39 c7 cmp %r8d,%edi >>> c: 41 0f 4d f8 cmovge %r8d,%edi >>> 10: 4c 63 de movslq %esi,%r11 >>> 13: 4a 8b 54 dc 30 mov 0x30(%rsp,%r11,8),%rdx >>> 18: 49 89 d6 mov %rdx,%r14 >>> 1b: 4d 29 ce sub %r9,%r14 >>> 1e: 49 c1 fe 06 sar $0x6,%r14 >>> 22: 49 d3 ee shr %cl,%r14 >>> 25: 4d 85 f6 test %r14,%r14 >>> 28: 74 24 je 0x4e >>> 2a:* 48 8b 4a 08 mov 0x8(%rdx),%rcx <-- trapping instruction >>> 2e: f6 c1 01 test $0x1,%cl >>> 31: 0f 85 cb 00 00 00 jne 0x102 >>> 37: 0f 1f 44 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax,%rax,1) >>> 3c: 31 c9 xor %ecx,%ecx >>> 3e: 48 rex.W >>> 3f: f7 .byte 0xf7 >>> >>> Code starting with the faulting instruction >>> =========================================== >>> 0: 48 8b 4a 08 mov 0x8(%rdx),%rcx >>> 4: f6 c1 01 test $0x1,%cl >>> 7: 0f 85 cb 00 00 00 jne 0xd8 >>> d: 0f 1f 44 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax,%rax,1) >>> 12: 31 c9 xor %ecx,%ecx >>> 14: 48 rex.W >>> 15: f7 .byte 0xf7 >>> [ 991.201691] RSP: 0018:ffffb11281d0ba90 EFLAGS: 00010202 >>> [ 991.206910] RAX: ffffe14ec4208000 RBX: 0000000000005000 RCX: 0000000000000009 >>> [ 991.214033] RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000006 RDI: 0000000000001000 >>> [ 991.221156] RBP: ffffb11281d0bb88 R08: 00000000000020ff R09: ffffe14ec4208000 >>> [ 991.228280] R10: 0000000000000005 R11: 0000000000000006 R12: ffff96b4825f4200 >>> [ 991.235406] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 000000003d6277bf R15: 0000000000000000 >>> [ 991.242529] FS: 00007f41e80b9740(0000) GS:ffff96b83bc1b000(0000) >>> knlGS:0000000000000000 >>> [ 991.250608] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033 >>> [ 991.256378] CR2: 0000000000000008 CR3: 0000000106c42003 CR4: 00000000003706f0 >>> [ 991.263513] Call Trace: >>> [ 991.265956] >>> [ 991.268055] __zerocopy_sg_from_iter (net/core/datagram.c:?) >>> [ 991.272674] ? kmalloc_reserve (net/core/skbuff.c:581) >>> [ 991.276599] skb_zerocopy_iter_stream (net/core/skbuff.c:1867) >>> [ 991.281219] tcp_sendmsg_locked (net/ipv4/tcp.c:1283) >>> [ 991.285493] tcp_sendmsg (net/ipv4/tcp.c:1393) >>> [ 991.288896] inet6_sendmsg (net/ipv6/af_inet6.c:661) >>> [ 991.292466] __sock_sendmsg (net/socket.c:717) >>> [ 991.296126] __sys_sendto (net/socket.c:?) >>> [ 991.299785] __x64_sys_sendto (net/socket.c:2235 net/socket.c:2231 >>> net/socket.c:2231) >>> [ 991.303622] x64_sys_call (arch/x86/entry/syscall_64.c:41) >>> [ 991.307462] do_syscall_64 (arch/x86/entry/syscall_64.c:?) >>> [ 991.311128] ? irqentry_exit (kernel/entry/common.c:210) >>> [ 991.314881] ? exc_page_fault (arch/x86/mm/fault.c:1536) >>> [ 991.318720] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe (arch/x86/entry/entry_64.S:130) >>> [ 991.323762] RIP: 0033:0x7f41e814b687 >>> [ 991.327352] Code: 48 89 fa 4c 89 df e8 58 b3 00 00 8b 93 08 03 00 00 >>> 59 5e 48 83 f8 fc 74 1a 5b c3 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 48 8b 44 24 10 >>> 0f 05 <5b> c3 0f 1f 80 00 00 00 00 83 e2 39 83 fa 08 75 de e8 23 ff ff >>> ff >>> All code >>> ======== >>> 0: 48 89 fa mov %rdi,%rdx >>> 3: 4c 89 df mov %r11,%rdi >>> 6: e8 58 b3 00 00 call 0xb363 >>> b: 8b 93 08 03 00 00 mov 0x308(%rbx),%edx >>> 11: 59 pop %rcx >>> 12: 5e pop %rsi >>> 13: 48 83 f8 fc cmp $0xfffffffffffffffc,%rax >>> 17: 74 1a je 0x33 >>> 19: 5b pop %rbx >>> 1a: c3 ret >>> 1b: 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax,%rax,1) >>> 22: 00 >>> 23: 48 8b 44 24 10 mov 0x10(%rsp),%rax >>> 28: 0f 05 syscall >>> 2a:* 5b pop %rbx <-- trapping instruction >>> 2b: c3 ret >>> 2c: 0f 1f 80 00 00 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax) >>> 33: 83 e2 39 and $0x39,%edx >>> 36: 83 fa 08 cmp $0x8,%edx >>> 39: 75 de jne 0x19 >>> 3b: e8 23 ff ff ff call 0xffffffffffffff63 >>> >>> Code starting with the faulting instruction >>> =========================================== >>> 0: 5b pop %rbx >>> 1: c3 ret >>> 2: 0f 1f 80 00 00 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax) >>> 9: 83 e2 39 and $0x39,%edx >>> c: 83 fa 08 cmp $0x8,%edx >>> f: 75 de jne 0xffffffffffffffef >>> 11: e8 23 ff ff ff call 0xffffffffffffff39 >>> [ 991.346124] RSP: 002b:00007ffdd843ba50 EFLAGS: 00000202 ORIG_RAX: >>> 000000000000002c >>> [ 991.353680] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 00007f41e80b9740 RCX: 00007f41e814b687 >>> [ 991.360806] RDX: 000000000000f180 RSI: 000056251f1fd100 RDI: 0000000000000005 >>> [ 991.367931] RBP: 0000000000000000 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000 >>> [ 991.375063] R10: 0000000004000000 R11: 0000000000000202 R12: 0000000000000000 >>> [ 991.382193] R13: 000056251f1fb080 R14: 000001a670e438d8 R15: 0000000000000005 >>> [ 991.389357] >>> [ 991.391571] Modules linked in: mptcp_diag tcp_diag inet_diag >>> xt_conntrack xfrm_user ipip bridge stp llc geneve vxlan act_csum >>> act_pedit openvswitch nsh nf_nat nf_conntrack nf_defrag_ipv6 >>> nf_defrag_ipv4 psample cls_flower sch_prio xt_mark nft_compat >>> nf_tables sch_ingress act_mirred cls_basic sch_fq_codel vrf pktgen >>> macvtap macvlan tap x86_pkg_temp_thermal ip_tables x_tables [last >>> unloaded: test_bpf] >>> [ 991.426812] CR2: 0000000000000008 >>> [ 991.430121] ---[ end trace 0000000000000000 ]--- >>> [ 991.434733] RIP: 0010:zerocopy_fill_skb_from_iter >>> (include/linux/page-flags.h:284) >>> [ 991.440477] Code: 4d 85 c0 0f 84 04 01 00 00 44 39 c7 41 0f 4d f8 4c >>> 63 de 4a 8b 54 dc 30 49 89 d6 4d 29 ce 49 c1 fe 06 49 d3 ee 4d 85 f6 >>> 74 24 <48> 8b 4a 08 f6 c1 01 0f 85 cb 00 00 00 0f 1f 44 00 00 31 c9 48 >>> f7 >>> All code >>> ======== >>> 0: 4d 85 c0 test %r8,%r8 >>> 3: 0f 84 04 01 00 00 je 0x10d >>> 9: 44 39 c7 cmp %r8d,%edi >>> c: 41 0f 4d f8 cmovge %r8d,%edi >>> 10: 4c 63 de movslq %esi,%r11 >>> 13: 4a 8b 54 dc 30 mov 0x30(%rsp,%r11,8),%rdx >>> 18: 49 89 d6 mov %rdx,%r14 >>> 1b: 4d 29 ce sub %r9,%r14 >>> 1e: 49 c1 fe 06 sar $0x6,%r14 >>> 22: 49 d3 ee shr %cl,%r14 >>> 25: 4d 85 f6 test %r14,%r14 >>> 28: 74 24 je 0x4e >>> 2a:* 48 8b 4a 08 mov 0x8(%rdx),%rcx <-- trapping instruction >>> 2e: f6 c1 01 test $0x1,%cl >>> 31: 0f 85 cb 00 00 00 jne 0x102 >>> 37: 0f 1f 44 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax,%rax,1) >>> 3c: 31 c9 xor %ecx,%ecx >>> 3e: 48 rex.W >>> 3f: f7 .byte 0xf7 >>> >>> Code starting with the faulting instruction >>> =========================================== >>> 0: 48 8b 4a 08 mov 0x8(%rdx),%rcx >>> 4: f6 c1 01 test $0x1,%cl >>> 7: 0f 85 cb 00 00 00 jne 0xd8 >>> d: 0f 1f 44 00 00 nopl 0x0(%rax,%rax,1) >>> 12: 31 c9 xor %ecx,%ecx >>> 14: 48 rex.W >>> 15: f7 .byte 0xf7 >>> [ 991.459215] RSP: 0018:ffffb11281d0ba90 EFLAGS: 00010202 >>> [ 991.464434] RAX: ffffe14ec4208000 RBX: 0000000000005000 RCX: 0000000000000009 >>> [ 991.471557] RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000006 RDI: 0000000000001000 >>> [ 991.478681] RBP: ffffb11281d0bb88 R08: 00000000000020ff R09: ffffe14ec4208000 >>> [ 991.485807] R10: 0000000000000005 R11: 0000000000000006 R12: ffff96b4825f4200 >>> [ 991.492930] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 000000003d6277bf R15: 0000000000000000 >>> [ 991.500054] FS: 00007f41e80b9740(0000) GS:ffff96b83bc1b000(0000) >>> knlGS:0000000000000000 >>> [ 991.508132] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033 >>> [ 991.513870] CR2: 0000000000000008 CR3: 0000000106c42003 CR4: 00000000003706f0 >>> [ 991.520994] note: udpgso_bench_tx[64842] exited with irqs disabled >>> >>> >>> ## Source >>> * Kernel version: 6.17.0-rc4 >>> * Git tree: https://kernel.googlesource.com/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git >>> * Git describe: next-20250905 >>> * Git commit: be5d4872e528796df9d7425f2bd9b3893eb3a42c >>> * Architectures: x86_64 >>> * Toolchains: clang-nightly >>> * Kconfigs: defconfig+selftests/*/config >>> >>> ## Build >>> * Test log: https://qa-reports.linaro.org/api/testruns/29777495/log_file/ >>> * LAVA test log: https://lkft.validation.linaro.org/scheduler/job/8434053#L16943 >>> * Test details: >>> https://regressions.linaro.org/lkft/linux-next-master/next-20250905/log-parser-test/oops-oops-oops-smp-pti/ >>> * Test plan: https://tuxapi.tuxsuite.com/v1/groups/linaro/projects/lkft/tests/32GkXBGNRNDEj5d64zd73eXhXQC >>> * Build link: https://storage.tuxsuite.com/public/linaro/lkft/builds/32GkU7mdlpISpPeeeEwIfAJuzqG/ >>> * Kernel config: >>> https://storage.tuxsuite.com/public/linaro/lkft/builds/32GkU7mdlpISpPeeeEwIfAJuzqG/config >>> >>> -- >>> Linaro LKFT >>> https://lkft.linaro.org >> >> I suspect a bug added in mm/gup.c recently >> >> commit db076b5db550aa34169dceee81d0974c7b2a2482 >> Author: David Hildenbrand >> Date: Mon Sep 1 17:03:40 2025 +0200 >> >> mm/gup: remove record_subpages() >> >> We can just cleanup the code by calculating the #refs earlier, so we can >> just inline what remains of record_subpages(). >> >> Calculate the number of references/pages ahead of times, and record them >> only once all our tests passed. >> >> Link: https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20250901150359.867252-20-david@redhat.com >> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand >> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton >> > > Yes, fix already on its way: > > https://lkml.kernel.org/r/5090355d-546a-4d06-99e1-064354d156b5@redhat.com > #syz dup: [syzbot] [io-uring?] KASAN: null-ptr-deref Read in io_sqe_buffer_register -- Cheers David / dhildenb