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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
Cc: Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, "Christopherson,
	Sean J" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	"Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@intel.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, "Svahn,
	Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>,
	bp@alien8.de, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	luto@kernel.org, kai.huang@intel.com, rientjes@google.com,
	cedric.xing@intel.com, Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@redhat.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:08:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200310130818.GA32334@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200307174223.GA30928@wind.enjellic.com>

On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:42:23AM -0600, Dr. Greg wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:07:53PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> Good morning, I hope the weekend is going well for everyone.
> 
> > Actually many people have applaused to have a small scoped, even if
> > not perfect, test program to look at how SGX works. One that is only
> > dependent on glibc. None of the selftests are meant to be production
> > peaces of code. You are getting wrong the role of the selftest in
> > the first place.
> 
> We certainly want to be counted in the camp of those who are
> applausing you for making the selftests available, particularly the
> new VDSO setup and entry code.
> 
> We arguably have similar motivations.  We architected and authored an
> entire SGX runtime that has as its only dependencies the MUSL C
> library, libelf and OpenSSL, primarily because we needed an easily
> auditable and low footprint SGX implementation.

Good to hear!

> To the point at hand though, I'm certainly not a very smart guy so I
> doubt that I am able to understand the role of the selftests.  We do
> seem to agree though that they only provide a rudimentary exercise of
> the driver.

The role of kselftests is not to be production code. They are somewhat
adhoc pieces of code that just check that "things turn on" e.g. in a
new kernel release or a new hardware platform.

> We also seem to agree that the primary role of the driver is to
> service the needs of those of us that are building production level
> SGX runtime stacks.  In service of that premise, it would be helpful
> to know if you are internally testing the driver/VDSO against enclaves
> of production quality, with metadata, or just the two page selftest
> enclave.

I do agree that a more complete test suite would be an essential thing
to have. In that I'd just use the SDK and implement it outside the
kernel tree.

Unfortunately I do not have time to implement such.

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-10 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200303233609.713348-1-jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:27   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-05 11:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-06 15:42       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-07 17:42           ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-10 13:08             ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2020-03-11 13:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20200311164047.GG21852@linux.intel.com>
2020-03-13 19:24           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-04 19:51   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-06  5:32   ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-10 19:29     ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-11  9:13       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-11 17:15         ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-17  1:07       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 22/22] selftests/x86: Add vDSO " Jarkko Sakkinen

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