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Peter Anvin" , Joerg Roedel , Robin Murphy , Alex Williamson , Shuah Khan , Steven Rostedt , Masami Hiramatsu , Mathieu Desnoyers , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/6] dma-buf: Add get_phys() to describe a physical run Message-ID: <20261012144616.GF14213@ziepe.ca> References: <20261005132046.30025-1-griffoul@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 04:53:34PM +0200, Christian König wrote: > > KVM gets its frames through the KVM-private guest_memfd provider > > interface from David's series. iommufd gets them through a private > > interface with the exporter, as it already does for vfio-pci. The new > > version adds a small registry in iommufd for that, which replaces the > > symbol_get() of the sample in David's series. The dma-buf is then only > > the handle and the existing revoke. > > Yeah that approach sounds totally sane to me. > > We have drivers which stuff all kind of resources, not just memory, > into a DMA-buf. That ranges from MMIO BARs to trigger FW operations > (doorbells) over full HW blocks (ordered appends, global wave sync > etc...) where two or more applications need to share which one is > used. > > That you then have a exporter private interface is for accessing > this is perfectly ok. > > The problem you are facing here is more that this is not limited to > one driver/module but multiple ones and you don't want module inter > dependencies because of the symbols. > > So symbol_get() is probably the right thing to do as long as we > don't have something like weak symbols or similar. I don't want to keep expanding this hack in iommufd. If dmabuf is to be used then dmabuf needs to provide a pluggable way to fill the iommu_domain that many exporters can plug into. I don't want to hardwire every exporter into iommufd, that makes no sense. The existing arrangement is to motivate solving this problem generically, not something to be expanded on. Jason