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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Esko Mobius via B4 Relay <devnull+echoowall.gmail.com@kernel.org>
Cc: echoowall@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>,
	Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <regressions@leemhuis.info>,
	regressions@lists.linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 2/2] Revert "net: advertise TCP MSS from the configured MTU, not the learned PMTU"
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2026 10:18:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261029101859.6893f1a0@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261026-advmss-revert-v1-2-272fa4b7ecb6@gmail.com>

On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 15:23:09 +0800
Esko Mobius via B4 Relay <devnull+echoowall.gmail.com@kernel.org> wrote:

> From: Esko Mobius <echoowall@gmail.com>
> 
> This reverts commit 2640e6419594 ("net: advertise TCP MSS from the
> configured MTU, not the learned PMTU").
> 
> That commit stopped the learned PMTU from lowering the MSS we advertise
> in SYN and SYN-ACK. For symmetric paths it argued that "the peer runs
> its own PMTU discovery and usually already knows the real path MTU".
> That only holds if ICMP "fragmentation needed" can reach the peer. When
> the peer sits behind a firewall that drops inbound ICMP, its PMTU
> discovery is a black hole (RFC 2923, section 2.1), and the smaller MSS
> we advertised was the only thing keeping its full-size segments off the
> narrow hop.
> 
> Inbound ICMP filtering is very common in enterprise and carrier
> networks, and it is pervasive in mainland China. We hit this in
> production after the commit was backported to 6.12.111: TCP connections
> that reach a server through a relay with a smaller-MTU hop complete the
> handshake, then stall as soon as the client sends full-size segments.
> Clients on networks that let ICMP through, and connections that bypass
> the relay, are unaffected, which made it hard to trace back to the
> kernel.

If it isn't a silly question, how to connections in the other direction
work?

I'd have thought they'd need that ICMP message to get through.

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-29 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-26  7:23 [PATCH net 0/2] Revert advertising the TCP MSS from the configured MTU Esko Mobius via B4 Relay
2026-10-26  7:23 ` [PATCH net 1/2] Revert "selftests: net: packetdrill: add tests for advertised MSS with PMTU exceptions" Esko Mobius via B4 Relay
2026-10-27 11:44   ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-10-26  7:23 ` [PATCH net 2/2] Revert "net: advertise TCP MSS from the configured MTU, not the learned PMTU" Esko Mobius via B4 Relay
2026-10-27 12:45   ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-10-27 13:02     ` Eric Dumazet
2026-10-27 13:12       ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-27 13:44         ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-10-27 23:18   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-10-28  3:38     ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-28 22:52       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-10-29 10:18   ` David Laight [this message]
2026-10-29 10:21     ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-29 11:20       ` David Laight
2026-10-29 12:36         ` Esko Mobius
2026-10-26 13:28 ` [PATCH net 0/2] Revert advertising the TCP MSS from the configured MTU Eric Dumazet
2026-10-28 23:10 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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