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From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	anshuman.khandual@arm.com, aruna.ramakrishna@oracle.com,
	broonie@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, jeffxu@chromium.org,
	joey.gouly@arm.com, shuah@kernel.org, will@kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	pierre.langlois@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Improve arm64 pkeys handling in signal delivery
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:06:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <627c1297-8151-43d1-b46b-a962301b18fa@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZxEx5aXPX2mHngoB@e133380.arm.com>

On 17/10/2024 17:48, Dave Martin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 02:39:04PM +0100, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
>> This series is a follow-up to Joey's Permission Overlay Extension (POE)
>> series [1] that recently landed on mainline. The goal is to improve the
>> way we handle the register that governs which pkeys/POIndex are
>> accessible (POR_EL0) during signal delivery. As things stand, we may
>> unexpectedly fail to write the signal frame on the stack because POR_EL0
>> is not reset before the uaccess operations. See patch 3 for more details
>> and the main changes this series brings.
>>
>> A similar series landed recently for x86/MPK [2]; the present series
>> aims at aligning arm64 with x86. Worth noting: once the signal frame is
>> written, POR_EL0 is still set to POR_EL0_INIT, granting access to pkey 0
>> only. This means that a program that sets up an alternate signal stack
>> with a non-zero pkey will need some assembly trampoline to set POR_EL0
>> before invoking the real signal handler, as discussed here [3].
> This feels a bit bogus (though it's anyway orthogonal to this series).

I'm not very fond of this either. However I believe this is the correct
first step: bring arm64 in line with x86. Removing all restrictions
before uaccess and then setting POR_EL0 to POR_EL0_INIT enables
userspace to use any pkey for the alternate signal stack without an ABI
change, albeit not in a very comfortable way (if the pkey is not 0).

> Really, we want some way for userspace to tell the kernel what
> permissions to use for the alternate signal stack and signal handlers
> using it, and then honour that request consistently (just as we try to
> do for the main stack today).
>
> ss_flags is mostly unused... I wonder whether we could add something in
> there?  Or add a sigaltstack2()?

Yes, this would be sensible as a second step (backwards-compatible
extension). Exactly how that API would look like is not trivial though:
is the pkey implicitly derived from the pointer provided to
sigaltstack()? Is there a need to specify another pkey for code, or do
we just assume that the signal handler is only using code with pkey 0?
(Not a concern on x86 as MPK doesn't restrict execution.) Would be very
interested to hear opinions on this.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-21 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-17 13:39 [PATCH 0/5] Improve arm64 pkeys handling in signal delivery Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-17 13:39 ` [PATCH 1/5] arm64: signal: Remove unused macro Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-17 15:49   ` Dave Martin
2024-10-21 10:05     ` Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-21 13:44       ` Dave Martin
2024-10-21 13:01   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 13:39 ` [PATCH 2/5] arm64: signal: Remove unnecessary check when saving POE state Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-17 13:52   ` Mark Brown
2024-10-17 15:49   ` Dave Martin
2024-10-21 13:02   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-17 13:39 ` [PATCH 3/5] arm64: signal: Improve POR_EL0 handling to avoid uaccess failures Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-17 15:53   ` Dave Martin
2024-10-21 10:06     ` Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-21 13:43       ` Dave Martin
2024-10-22 12:34         ` Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-22 12:38           ` Dave Martin
2024-10-21 14:38       ` Dave Martin
2024-10-17 13:39 ` [PATCH 4/5] selftests/mm: Use generic pkey register manipulation Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-17 13:39 ` [PATCH 5/5] selftests/mm: Enable pkey_sighandler_tests on arm64 Kevin Brodsky
2024-10-17 15:48 ` [PATCH 0/5] Improve arm64 pkeys handling in signal delivery Dave Martin
2024-10-21 10:06   ` Kevin Brodsky [this message]
2024-10-21 13:31     ` Dave Martin
2024-10-21 15:30       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-21 17:19         ` Will Deacon
2024-10-22 10:45           ` Catalin Marinas
2024-10-22  9:31       ` Pierre Langlois
2024-10-22 10:40         ` Stephen Röttger

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