From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE2F8372075; Wed, 26 Aug 2026 08:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1787731338; cv=none; b=jS+tvTx6PrqzoU+iKU8L7z4E5B0PzuKeK1jlHZS5sqXvYrQvVrXHaWYcDC/BwGOIxqP8zD6Ow5HaBGt4SawG0KZuax0MjjRGyRj2OrCAnD1qyCs+Q2Zv7xEHrrPQcg5ewMlfaH/xbdlA6AGOPTEnz5LaBSXawFuz328VYvleizY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1787731338; c=relaxed/simple; bh=G6xL08U1dq8EnUdFqf7lbM51wPHNB4is/XrEYb7sMqs=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=IfuQgOyegvhNjX/uSL6ZGwDcH/hqO2H7w3N2wJh4OJA4c0aKENk41/NoRSB5aqN5ZLpt19cwOfNbeElyFEGwnMYlln0BeSOJ0RClexjKHJx/9PXdWIIfGUZCklDyGX1sFbKxtwo3QvK8O9eikZ8QI0ryxzLzK1zpw6ppl7FCYWY= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=hNZ4G9mi; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="hNZ4G9mi" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D304B1F000E9; Wed, 26 Aug 2026 08:02:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1787731337; bh=qDJRoIekcA15nn++VrsQGBSf6tTPo6NnuWXU6FKWUf8=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=hNZ4G9miUTg8auGY2TB1dTe3EJ6ritKi9XnVUZ2KEsTKRbGa9OwUq7yDMOzITE8eE rVGp358P9iDjbMBMZz/LQXHQ34rEmwyKPAAedbGE5KzkawvQFrIcPIMaqMlAL8afhg 9YmN5Sz9PfucI16g28FNIE73dapfeI/rTatpKJduj417XxkJJu2J8UYopMxmxlU6gD /+D5QQiMhWuT9pAsZdRsS371sLoGTS3nHRrjuo2AR6qrfXoUR6RNeCVadwGBVJz02s FirKLBJGGWjTMfOTJp657pDMr17tFqKvCqghrlOQrgOFaNiWc2ijzZrAluS7XkoW6x bDNa4+40dmcSA== Message-ID: <7e4e9662-d876-4493-a0b3-e31640937dd1@kernel.org> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 10:02:08 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] mm/cma: charge cma allocation to memcg using per area counters To: Eric Chanudet , Michal Hocko Cc: Andrew Morton , Lorenzo Stoakes , "Liam R. Howlett" , Vlastimil Babka , Mike Rapoport , Suren Baghdasaryan , Tejun Heo , Johannes Weiner , =?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Koutn=C3=BD?= , Jonathan Corbet , Shuah Khan , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Muchun Song , Shuah Khan , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, Maxime Ripard , Albert Esteve References: <20260821-cma-memcg-regions-v1-0-d21b165b8440@redhat.com> <5970a8d4-fe7c-4dde-bdc8-1c66bfb57f12@kernel.org> From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=david@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABzS5EYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCAoQ3VycmVudCkgPGRhdmlkQGtlcm5lbC5vcmc+wsGQBBMBCAA6AhsDBQkmWAik AgsJBBUKCQgCFgICHgUCF4AWIQQb2cqtc1xMOkYN/MpN3hD3AP+DWgUCaYJt/AIZAQAKCRBN 3hD3AP+DWriiD/9BLGEKG+N8L2AXhikJg6YmXom9ytRwPqDgpHpVg2xdhopoWdMRXjzOrIKD g4LSnFaKneQD0hZhoArEeamG5tyo32xoRsPwkbpIzL0OKSZ8G6mVbFGpjmyDLQCAxteXCLXz ZI0VbsuJKelYnKcXWOIndOrNRvE5eoOfTt2XfBnAapxMYY2IsV+qaUXlO63GgfIOg8RBaj7x 3NxkI3rV0SHhI4GU9K6jCvGghxeS1QX6L/XI9mfAYaIwGy5B68kF26piAVYv/QZDEVIpo3t7 /fjSpxKT8plJH6rhhR0epy8dWRHk3qT5tk2P85twasdloWtkMZ7FsCJRKWscm1BLpsDn6EQ4 jeMHECiY9kGKKi8dQpv3FRyo2QApZ49NNDbwcR0ZndK0XFo15iH708H5Qja/8TuXCwnPWAcJ DQoNIDFyaxe26Rx3ZwUkRALa3iPcVjE0//TrQ4KnFf+lMBSrS33xDDBfevW9+Dk6IISmDH1R HFq2jpkN+FX/PE8eVhV68B2DsAPZ5rUwyCKUXPTJ/irrCCmAAb5Jpv11S7hUSpqtM/6oVESC 3z/7CzrVtRODzLtNgV4r5EI+wAv/3PgJLlMwgJM90Fb3CB2IgbxhjvmB1WNdvXACVydx55V7 LPPKodSTF29rlnQAf9HLgCphuuSrrPn5VQDaYZl4N/7zc2wcWM7BTQRVy5+RARAA59fefSDR 9nMGCb9LbMX+TFAoIQo/wgP5XPyzLYakO+94GrgfZjfhdaxPXMsl2+o8jhp/hlIzG56taNdt VZtPp3ih1AgbR8rHgXw1xwOpuAd5lE1qNd54ndHuADO9a9A0vPimIes78Hi1/yy+ZEEvRkHk /kDa6F3AtTc1m4rbbOk2fiKzzsE9YXweFjQvl9p+AMw6qd/iC4lUk9g0+FQXNdRs+o4o6Qvy iOQJfGQ4UcBuOy1IrkJrd8qq5jet1fcM2j4QvsW8CLDWZS1L7kZ5gT5EycMKxUWb8LuRjxzZ 3QY1aQH2kkzn6acigU3HLtgFyV1gBNV44ehjgvJpRY2cC8VhanTx0dZ9mj1YKIky5N+C0f21 zvntBqcxV0+3p8MrxRRcgEtDZNav+xAoT3G0W4SahAaUTWXpsZoOecwtxi74CyneQNPTDjNg azHmvpdBVEfj7k3p4dmJp5i0U66Onmf6mMFpArvBRSMOKU9DlAzMi4IvhiNWjKVaIE2Se9BY FdKVAJaZq85P2y20ZBd08ILnKcj7XKZkLU5FkoA0udEBvQ0f9QLNyyy3DZMCQWcwRuj1m73D sq8DEFBdZ5eEkj1dCyx+t/ga6x2rHyc8Sl86oK1tvAkwBNsfKou3v+jP/l14a7DGBvrmlYjO 59o3t6inu6H7pt7OL6u6BQj7DoMAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJgIbDBYhBBvZyq1zXEw6Rg38yk3e EPcA/4NaBQJonNqrBQkmWAihAAoJEE3eEPcA/4NaKtMQALAJ8PzprBEXbXcEXwDKQu+P/vts IfUb1UNMfMV76BicGa5NCZnJNQASDP/+bFg6O3gx5NbhHHPeaWz/VxlOmYHokHodOvtL0WCC 8A5PEP8tOk6029Z+J+xUcMrJClNVFpzVvOpb1lCbhjwAV465Hy+NUSbbUiRxdzNQtLtgZzOV Zw7jxUCs4UUZLQTCuBpFgb15bBxYZ/BL9MbzxPxvfUQIPbnzQMcqtpUs21CMK2PdfCh5c4gS sDci6D5/ZIBw94UQWmGpM/O1ilGXde2ZzzGYl64glmccD8e87OnEgKnH3FbnJnT4iJchtSvx yJNi1+t0+qDti4m88+/9IuPqCKb6Stl+s2dnLtJNrjXBGJtsQG/sRpqsJz5x1/2nPJSRMsx9 5YfqbdrJSOFXDzZ8/r82HgQEtUvlSXNaXCa95ez0UkOG7+bDm2b3s0XahBQeLVCH0mw3RAQg r7xDAYKIrAwfHHmMTnBQDPJwVqxJjVNr7yBic4yfzVWGCGNE4DnOW0vcIeoyhy9vnIa3w1uZ 3iyY2Nsd7JxfKu1PRhCGwXzRw5TlfEsoRI7V9A8isUCoqE2Dzh3FvYHVeX4Us+bRL/oqareJ CIFqgYMyvHj7Q06kTKmauOe4Nf0l0qEkIuIzfoLJ3qr5UyXc2hLtWyT9Ir+lYlX9efqh7mOY qIws/H2t In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/25/26 20:50, Eric Chanudet wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2026 at 06:26:42PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: >> On Tue 25-08-26 17:45:56, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>> >>> How does this e.g., relate to hugetlb allocating from CMA, to then charge to a >>> hugetlb cgroup? >>> > > AFAIU the system defines CMA areas to allocate hugepages from. For this > initial series, I failed to handle it. The intend was to consider it as > any other CMA area. It entirely missed that hugepages are already > accounted for by their controller (cgroupfs opt > memory_hugetlb_accounting) and they are charged when faulted in from > their available pool. > >>> I always thought of CMA being a low-level allocation mechanism with various >>> different use cases, and actually the higher-level users should decide how >>> to/what to charge instead. >> >> Exactly. There are many different users of CMA all with different >> requirements. Then there is CMA reservations if an area is shared and >> the overall memory consumption. That is why I am really not able to >> wrap my head around this proposal. > > It is nonetheless available almost directly to userspace via dmabuf > heap, or as a result of drivers ioctl providing a contiguous buffer, and > unaccounted for by existing controllers, with the exception of CMA > hugepages with memory_hugetlb_accounting. No. The charging really only makes sense for selected mechanisms that built onto CMA. It does not make any sense for subsystems that declare CMA for their own use only. Like hugetlb. Or s390x's VMCP region. Or PPC KVM stuff. Or the crash kernel area. -- Cheers, David