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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 6/7] mm/ksm: convert break_ksm() to use walk_page_range_vma()
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 11:20:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a84440f-1462-2193-7dd6-c84e8bb22232@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yz3wcDZPFvKBmnet@x1n>

>> +int break_ksm_pud_entry(pud_t *pud, unsigned long addr, unsigned long next,
>> +			struct mm_walk *walk)
>> +{
>> +	/* We only care about page tables to walk to a single base page. */
>> +	if (pud_leaf(*pud) || !pud_present(*pud))
>> +		return 1;
>> +	return 0;
>> +}
> 
> Is this needed?  I thought the pgtable walker handlers this already.
> 
> [...]
> 

Most probably yes. I was trying to avoid about PUD splits, but I guess 
we simply should not care in VMAs that are considered by KSM (MERGABLE). 
Most probably never ever happens.

>>   static int break_ksm(struct vm_area_struct *vma, unsigned long addr)
>>   {
>> -	struct page *page;
>>   	vm_fault_t ret = 0;
>>   
>> +	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(!IS_ALIGNED(addr, PAGE_SIZE)))
>> +		return -EINVAL;
>> +
>>   	do {
>>   		bool ksm_page = false;
>>   
>>   		cond_resched();
>> -		page = follow_page(vma, addr,
>> -				FOLL_GET | FOLL_MIGRATION | FOLL_REMOTE);
>> -		if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(page))
>> -			break;
>> -		if (PageKsm(page))
>> -			ksm_page = true;
>> -		put_page(page);
>> +		ret = walk_page_range_vma(vma, addr, addr + PAGE_SIZE,
>> +					  &break_ksm_ops, &ksm_page);
>> +		if (WARN_ON_ONCE(ret < 0))
>> +			return ret;
> 
> I'm not sure this would be worth it, especially with a 4% degrade.  The
> next patch will be able to bring 50- LOC, but this patch does 60+ anyway,
> based on another new helper just introduced...
> 
> I just don't see whether there's strong enough reason to do so to drop
> FOLL_MIGRATE.  It's different to the previous VM_FAULT_WRITE refactor
> because of the unshare approach was much of a good reasoning to me.
> 
> Perhaps I missed something?

My main motivation is to remove most of that GUP hackery here, which is
1) Getting a reference on a page and waiting for migration to finish
    even though both is unnecessary.
2) As we don't have sufficient control, we added FOLL_MIGRATION hacks to
    MM core to work around limitations in the GUP-based approacj.
3) We rely on legacy follow_page() interface that we should really get
    rid of in the long term.

All we want to do is walk the page tables and make a decision if 
something we care about is mapped. Instead of leaking these details via 
hacks into GUP code and making that code harder to grasp/maintain, this 
patch moves that logic to the actual user, while reusing generic page 
walking code.

Yes, we have to extend page walking code, but it's just the natural, 
non-hacky way of doing it.

Regarding the 4% performance degradation (if I wouldn't have added the 
benchmarks, nobody would know and probably care ;) ), I am not quite 
sure why that is the case. We're just walking page tables after all in 
both cases. Maybe the callback-based implementation of pagewalk code is 
less efficient, but we might be able to improve that implementation if 
we really care about performance here. Maybe removing 
break_ksm_pud_entry() already improves the numbers slightly.

Thanks!

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-06  9:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-30 14:19 [PATCH v1 0/7] mm/ksm: break_ksm() cleanups and fixes David Hildenbrand
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] selftests/vm: add test to measure MADV_UNMERGEABLE performance David Hildenbrand
2022-10-05 20:27   ` Peter Xu
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] mm/ksm: simplify break_ksm() to not rely on VM_FAULT_WRITE David Hildenbrand
2022-10-05 20:29   ` Peter Xu
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] mm: remove VM_FAULT_WRITE David Hildenbrand
2022-10-05 20:29   ` Peter Xu
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] mm/ksm: fix KSM COW breaking with userfaultfd-wp via FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE David Hildenbrand
2022-09-30 22:27   ` Andrew Morton
2022-10-01  8:13     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-10-05 20:35   ` Peter Xu
2022-10-06  9:29     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-10-06 19:04       ` Peter Xu
2022-10-20 10:05         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] mm/pagewalk: add walk_page_range_vma() David Hildenbrand
2022-10-05 20:42   ` Peter Xu
2022-10-06  9:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] mm/ksm: convert break_ksm() to use walk_page_range_vma() David Hildenbrand
2022-10-05 21:00   ` Peter Xu
2022-10-06  9:20     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-10-06 19:28       ` Peter Xu
2022-10-21  9:11         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-10-20  8:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-30 14:19 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] mm/gup: remove FOLL_MIGRATION David Hildenbrand

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