From: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com,
Lei Chen <lei.chen@smartx.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 16:42:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z-Vx8kV4M3khPknC@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874izezv3c.ffs@tglx>
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:22:31AM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25 2025 at 12:32, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> > Resetting the NTP error causes a small time step. An NTP/PTP client
> > can be setting the frequency very frequently, e.g. up to 128 times per
> > second and the interval between updates can be random. If the timing
>
> I never observed that behaviour, but I'm not a NTP/PTP wizard/power user.
On a machine that has a /dev/ptp device available, a simple test to
observe such a high update rate is to run:
1) phc_ctl /dev/ptp0 set
2) phc2sys -m -q -O 0 -s /dev/ptp0 -R 128
or alternatively
2) chronyd -d 'refclock PHC /dev/ptp0 poll -7'
> The original implementation respected this base period, but John's
> approach of forwarding, which cures the coarse time getter issue,
> violates it. As a consequence the previous error accumulation is not
> longer based on the base period because the period has been reset to the
> random point in time when adjtimex() was invoked, which makes the error
> accumulation a random number.
I see, so that value of the NTP error is already wrong at that point
where it's reset to 0.
To clearly see the difference with the new code, I made an attempt
to update the old linux-tktest simulation that was used back when the
multiplier adjustment was reworked, but there are too many missing
things now and I gave up.
Maybe I could simply patch the kernel to force a small clock
multiplier to increase the rate at which the error accumulates.
--
Miroslav Lichvar
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-27 15:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-20 20:03 [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids John Stultz
2025-03-20 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] selftests/timers: Improve skew_consistency by testing with other clockids John Stultz
2025-03-25 11:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids Miroslav Lichvar
2025-03-27 9:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-27 15:42 ` Miroslav Lichvar [this message]
2025-03-27 17:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-31 7:53 ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-17 2:55 ` John Stultz
2025-03-31 14:53 ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-01 6:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-01 11:19 ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-01 18:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-03 8:32 ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-03 11:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-05 21:40 ` [PATCH] timekeeping: Prevent coarse clocks going backwards Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-17 5:29 ` John Stultz
2025-04-17 12:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-18 0:46 ` John Stultz
2025-04-18 6:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-18 7:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-19 5:55 ` John Stultz
2025-04-18 18:40 ` John Stultz
2025-04-19 5:46 ` [PATCH v3] " John Stultz
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