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From: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com,
	Lei Chen <lei.chen@smartx.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 16:42:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z-Vx8kV4M3khPknC@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874izezv3c.ffs@tglx>

On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:22:31AM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25 2025 at 12:32, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> > Resetting the NTP error causes a small time step. An NTP/PTP client
> > can be setting the frequency very frequently, e.g. up to 128 times per
> > second and the interval between updates can be random. If the timing
> 
> I never observed that behaviour, but I'm not a NTP/PTP wizard/power user.

On a machine that has a /dev/ptp device available, a simple test to
observe such a high update rate is to run:

1) phc_ctl /dev/ptp0 set
2) phc2sys -m -q -O 0 -s /dev/ptp0 -R 128
or alternatively
2) chronyd -d 'refclock PHC /dev/ptp0 poll -7'

> The original implementation respected this base period, but John's
> approach of forwarding, which cures the coarse time getter issue,
> violates it. As a consequence the previous error accumulation is not
> longer based on the base period because the period has been reset to the
> random point in time when adjtimex() was invoked, which makes the error
> accumulation a random number.

I see, so that value of the NTP error is already wrong at that point
where it's reset to 0.

To clearly see the difference with the new code, I made an attempt
to update the old linux-tktest simulation that was used back when the
multiplier adjustment was reworked, but there are too many missing
things now and I gave up.

Maybe I could simply patch the kernel to force a small clock
multiplier to increase the rate at which the error accumulates.

-- 
Miroslav Lichvar


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-27 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-20 20:03 [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids John Stultz
2025-03-20 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] selftests/timers: Improve skew_consistency by testing with other clockids John Stultz
2025-03-25 11:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids Miroslav Lichvar
2025-03-27  9:22   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-27 15:42     ` Miroslav Lichvar [this message]
2025-03-27 17:32       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-31  7:53         ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-17  2:55           ` John Stultz
2025-03-31 14:53       ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-01  6:34         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-01 11:19           ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-01 18:29             ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-03  8:32               ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-03 11:29                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-05 21:40                   ` [PATCH] timekeeping: Prevent coarse clocks going backwards Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-17  5:29                     ` John Stultz
2025-04-17 12:36                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-18  0:46                     ` John Stultz
2025-04-18  6:37                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-18  7:00                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-19  5:55                           ` John Stultz
2025-04-18 18:40                         ` John Stultz
2025-04-19  5:46                           ` [PATCH v3] " John Stultz

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