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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] cgroup/cpuset: Support RCU_NOCB on isolated partitions
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:47:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZcOYEkHCoh75R-LA@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZcKFRqrUh5tTbsaJ@tpad>

Le Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 04:15:18PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti a écrit :
> On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 01:56:23PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 12:15:07PM -0500, Waiman Long a écrit :
> > > 
> > > On 1/17/24 12:07, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 11:35:03AM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
> > > > > The first 2 patches are adopted from Federic with minor twists to fix
> > > > > merge conflicts and compilation issue. The rests are for implementing
> > > > > the new cpuset.cpus.isolation_full interface which is essentially a flag
> > > > > to globally enable or disable full CPU isolation on isolated partitions.
> > > > I think the interface is a bit premature. The cpuset partition feature is
> > > > already pretty restrictive and makes it really clear that it's to isolate
> > > > the CPUs. I think it'd be better to just enable all the isolation features
> > > > by default. If there are valid use cases which can't be served without
> > > > disabling some isolation features, we can worry about adding the interface
> > > > at that point.
> > > 
> > > My current thought is to make isolated partitions act like isolcpus=domain,
> > > additional CPU isolation capabilities are optional and can be turned on
> > > using isolation_full. However, I am fine with making all these turned on by
> > > default if it is the consensus.
> > 
> > Right it was the consensus last time I tried. Along with the fact that mutating
> > this isolation_full set has to be done on offline CPUs to simplify the whole
> > picture.
> > 
> > So lemme try to summarize what needs to be done:
> > 
> > 1) An all-isolation feature file (that is, all the HK_TYPE_* things) on/off for
> >   now. And if it ever proves needed, provide a way later for more finegrained
> >   tuning.
> > 
> > 2) This file must only apply to offline CPUs because it avoids migrations and
> >   stuff.
> > 
> > 3) I need to make RCU NOCB tunable only on offline CPUs, which isn't that much
> >    changes.
> > 
> > 4) HK_TYPE_TIMER:
> >    * Wrt. timers in general, not much needs to be done, the CPUs are
> >      offline. But:
> >    * arch/x86/kvm/x86.c does something weird
> >    * drivers/char/random.c might need some care
> >    * watchdog needs to be (de-)activated
> >    
> > 5) HK_TYPE_DOMAIN:
> >    * This one I fear is not mutable, this is isolcpus...
> 
> Except for HK_TYPE_DOMAIN, i have never seen anyone use any of this
> flags.

HK_TYPE_DOMAIN is used by isolcpus=domain,....
HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ is used by isolcpus=managed_irq,...

All the others (except HK_TYPE_SCHED) are used by nohz_full=

Thanks.

> 
> > 
> > 6) HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ:
> >    * I prefer not to think about it :-)
> > 
> > 7) HK_TYPE_TICK:
> >    * Maybe some tiny ticks internals to revisit, I'll check that.
> >    * There is a remote tick to take into consideration, but again the
> >      CPUs are offline so it shouldn't be too complicated.
> > 
> > 8) HK_TYPE_WQ:
> >    * Fortunately we already have all the mutable interface in place.
> >      But we must make it live nicely with the sysfs workqueue affinity
> >      files.
> > 
> > 9) HK_FLAG_SCHED:
> >    * Oops, this one is ignored by nohz_full/isolcpus, isn't it?
> >    Should be removed?
> > 
> > 10) HK_TYPE_RCU:
> >     * That's point 3) and also some kthreads to affine, which leads us
> >      to the following in HK_TYPE_KTHREAD:
> > 
> > 11) HK_FLAG_KTHREAD:
> >     * I'm guessing it's fine as long as isolation_full is also an
> >       isolated partition. Then unbound kthreads shouldn't run there.
> > 
> > 12) HK_TYPE_MISC:
> >     * Should be fine as ILB isn't running on offline CPUs.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-07 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-17 16:35 [RFC PATCH 0/8] cgroup/cpuset: Support RCU_NOCB on isolated partitions Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] rcu/nocb: Pass a cpumask instead of a single CPU to offload/deoffload Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] rcu/nocb: Prepare to change nocb cpumask from CPU-hotplug protected cpuset caller Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] rcu/no_cb: Add rcu_nocb_enabled() to expose the rcu_nocb state Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] cgroup/cpuset: Better tracking of addition/deletion of isolated CPUs Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] cgroup/cpuset: Add cpuset.cpus.isolation_full Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] cgroup/cpuset: Enable dynamic rcu_nocb mode on isolated CPUs Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] cgroup/cpuset: Document the new cpuset.cpus.isolation_full control file Waiman Long
2024-01-17 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] cgroup/cpuset: Update test_cpuset_prs.sh to handle cpuset.cpus.isolation_full Waiman Long
2024-01-17 17:07 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] cgroup/cpuset: Support RCU_NOCB on isolated partitions Tejun Heo
2024-01-17 17:15   ` Waiman Long
2024-02-06 12:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-02-06 19:15       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-02-07 14:47         ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2024-02-07 14:59           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-02-10  4:19       ` Waiman Long
2024-01-19 10:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-11  1:46   ` Waiman Long
2024-01-22 15:07 ` Michal Koutný
2024-01-23  5:50   ` Waiman Long

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