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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] mm/mremap: permit mremap() move of multiple VMAs
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 11:31:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6e413b5-ff59-43c6-8f59-ee2eab485096@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a4344b5-ff68-d57f-de7a-68a091bcb092@google.com>

On Sun, Jul 06, 2025 at 11:12:35PM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> Applause!
>
> No way shall I review this, but each time I've seen an mremap series
> from Lorenzo go by, I've wanted to say "but wouldn't it be better to...";
> but it felt too impertinent to prod you in a direction I'd never dare
> take myself (and quite likely that you had already tried, but found it
> fundamentally impossible).
>
> Thank you, yes, this is a very welcome step forward.

Thank you that's very kind of you! :) and please, by all means do feel free
to prod or to give your thoughts and opinions on things, they're very
welcome and appreciated!

With respect to this series, I think it really underlines what a difference
refactoring can make to being able to have code do something new - prior to
my last refactoring series and the refactoring bits here I just don't think
it would have been possible.

WRT to the relocate anon series - I thought it'd be interesting to talk
about why it didn't work out a bit in case you/others might find it
interesting:

Indeed, while I'd like us to more efficiently process VMAs in the anon_vma
case, it turns out there's simply too many moving parts for it to be
feasible at this time - I reached the point of dealing with many many edge
cases addressing the points David raised about folios in the swap cache and
migration entries (which might also fail to migrate), having gone to great
lengths to avoid having a not-reliable undo path.

I'd even invented a new means of 'hiding' anon_vma's from the rmap walker,
and did split folio work up front and and and :)

But then there came a point where unavoidably I'd ahave to do a split folio
mid-way through the operation and GUP fast could race and increment a
refcount that'd break that and... it was just obvious this approach wasn't
workable, and was far too fragile.

Important to accept when one reaches such a point, but it wasn't a waste,
as a. there's a lot that can be reused and applied later, b. I learned a
great deal, c. it helped further my research in this area.

I think overall efforts in this direction will require a more ambitious
rework of the anon_vma stuff, something I intend to do :) but it'll all be
done incrementally, with a great deal of care, and obviously working with
the community throughout.

>
> Hugh

Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-07 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-07  5:27 [PATCH 00/10] mm/mremap: permit mremap() move of multiple VMAs Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm/mremap: perform some simple cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 11:09   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm/mremap: refactor initial parameter sanity checks Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 11:38   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm/mremap: put VMA check and prep logic into helper function Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 13:10   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm/mremap: cleanup post-processing stage of mremap Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 13:49   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-10 15:28     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm/mremap: use an explicit uffd failure path for mremap Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07  7:56   ` kernel test robot
2025-07-07 10:13     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07 10:20   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 14:24   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm/mremap: check remap conditions earlier Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 14:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm/mremap: move remap_is_valid() into check_prep_vma() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 14:44   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm/mremap: clean up mlock populate behaviour Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-10 14:47   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm/mremap: permit mremap() move of multiple VMAs Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-09 18:13   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-10 10:41     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-11  8:17   ` Mark Brown
2025-07-11  8:22     ` Mark Brown
2025-07-11  8:31       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07  5:27 ` [PATCH 10/10] tools/testing/selftests: extend mremap_test to test multi-VMA mremap Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07  6:12 ` [PATCH 00/10] mm/mremap: permit mremap() move of multiple VMAs Hugh Dickins
2025-07-07 10:31   ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-07-07 10:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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