From: Shung-Hsi Yu <shung-hsi.yu@suse.com>
To: sun jian <sun.jian.kdev@gmail.com>,
Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
john.fastabend@gmail.com, andrii@kernel.org, memxor@gmail.com,
martin.lau@linux.dev, song@kernel.org, yonghong.song@linux.dev,
jolsa@kernel.org, emil@etsalapatis.com, shuah@kernel.org,
mmullins@fb.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf v4 1/2] bpf: Reject negative const offsets for buffer pointers
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2026 16:00:27 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alCgmxFh9q-vjE0O@u94a> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABFUUZEXYduca34g22YZ1ESyYe3Yc3kYQrTEWLMxB5X0ZmYn8w@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 01:52:26PM +0800, sun jian wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 2:21 AM Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2026-07-09 at 14:47 +0800, Shung-Hsi Yu wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 08, 2026 at 10:11:01PM +0800, sun jian wrote:
[...]
> > > Actually looking again at 022ac0750883, moving the `off < 0` after
> > > tnum_is_const() and bringing back the `off += reg->off` removed from
> > > check_mem_access() is perhaps the more faithful restoration of the
> > > original behavior.
> > >
> > > Though reg->off no longer exists, we have to use reg->var_off.value
> > > instead. IIUC any register of pointer type should already have its
> > > var_off bounded to +-BPF_MAX_VAR_OFF by adjust_ptr_min_max_vals() in
> > > theory, and thus shouldn't overflow `int off`.
> > >
> > > See the diff below.
[...]
> >
> > I don't understand what this patch is attempting to fix.
> > If you run the selftests from patch #2 against current bpf-next both
> > would be rejected. If you extend these test cases to exercise a truly
> > negative offset, that would be rejected as well.
I tried to exercise a truly negative offset, and it was indeed rejected
on bpf-next. I had thought it would pass.
But more below.
> Thanks for pushing on this. I rechecked the issue more carefully.
>
> This series targets the bpf tree, with base 12091470c6b4. On that base,
> with only the selftest change applied, the negative-offset verifier case
> is not rejected at load time. The test fails with an unexpected load
> success:
>
> #664/2 verifier_raw_tp_writable/raw_tracepoint_writable: reject
> negative const offset:FAIL
> run_subtest:FAIL:unexpected_load_success unexpected success: 0
>
> It is possible that current bpf-next rejects this earlier through another
> path, but on the target bpf base it does not.
So I think I now have a better picture of what's going on. Before
022ac0750883, negative const offset is rejected at *load* time because
the const offset is accumulated into `off` before the negative check:
// check_mem_access()
off += reg->off
// __check_buffer_access()
if (off < 0) return return -EACCES;
if (!tnum_is_const(reg->var_off) || reg->var_off.value) return -EACCES;
After 022ac0750883 the const offset accumulation does not happen, and
thus now negative const offset is no longer rejected at load time.
// __check_buffer_access()
if (off < 0) return return -EACCES;
if (!tnum_is_const(reg->var_off)) return -EACCES;
> > And this does not rely on UB.
> > Consider the current code:
> >
> > env->prog->aux->max_tp_access = max(reg->var_off.value + off + size,
> > env->prog->aux->max_tp_access);
> >
> >
> > The types of the expressions involved:
> >
> > reg->var_off.value + off + size
> > u64 int int
> >
> > The promotion/conversion rules:
> >
> > u64 + (u64)(s64)int -> u64
> >
> > In other words, 'off' and 'size' would be sign extended to s64 and
> > then treated as u64. Hence any negative offset would be represented
> > as a large unsigned value in max_tp_access.
I entirely missed that, yes, the attached-time check does prevented the
negative offset going through. So there isn't a bug, but the behavior
has changed, and it seems better to restore to the one where we
straightout reject negative offset during load time.
That can be done by reordering `off < 0` check after tnum_is_const(),
similar to how check_ptr_to_btf_access() was update in commit
022ac0750883.
[...]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-10 8:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-08 9:01 [PATCH bpf v4 0/2] bpf: Reject negative const offsets for buffer pointers Sun Jian
2026-07-08 9:01 ` [PATCH bpf v4 1/2] " Sun Jian
2026-07-08 13:13 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
2026-07-08 14:11 ` sun jian
2026-07-09 6:47 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
2026-07-09 12:47 ` sun jian
2026-07-09 18:21 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-07-10 5:52 ` sun jian
2026-07-10 6:23 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-07-10 7:25 ` sun jian
2026-07-10 7:47 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-07-10 8:00 ` Shung-Hsi Yu [this message]
2026-07-10 8:10 ` Shung-Hsi Yu
2026-07-10 10:27 ` sun jian
2026-07-08 9:01 ` [PATCH bpf v4 2/2] selftests/bpf: Cover negative raw_tp writable buffer offsets Sun Jian
2026-07-09 16:59 ` Eduard Zingerman
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