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From: Karl Mehltretter <kmehltretter@gmail.com>
To: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] locking, mm: Add atomic allocator trylocks on RT
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 04:14:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <atbOS2rs94fB2red@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <asZ8jmWNoGk5tYce@thinkpad>

On Wed, Oct 07, 2026 at 07:15:29PM +0100, Harry Yoo wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 09:06:22AM +0200, Karl Mehltretter wrote:
> > On PREEMPT_RT, a BPF task-storage program attached to sched_waking
> > can deadlock when kmalloc_nolock() obtains an rtmutex-backed allocator
> > spinlock while try_to_wake_up() holds p->pi_lock. Releasing the allocator
> > lock can enter priority-inheritance or wakeup code and re-enter scheduler
> > locking.
> > 
> > The first RFC [1] rejected every non-preemptible caller. That prevents the
> > deadlock, but it also rejects BPF arena allocation and faults under the
> > arena's ordinary raw lock.
> > 
> > This RFC instead adds an atomic owner state for bounded PREEMPT_RT spinlock
> > trylocks. Atomic acquisition succeeds only from the completely free state.
> 
> Please don't skip discussion stage and jump into submitting a very
> intrusive change across locking and mm, assisted by LLM? :/
> 
> I don't think attempts to tackle this problem will make progress without
> discussing and getting buy-in from (PREEMPT_RT) locking folks.
> 

Sebastian, Peter, Thomas, did you have a chance to look at the locking
direction here?

Thanks,
Karl

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-20  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-05  7:06 [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] locking, mm: Add atomic allocator trylocks on RT Karl Mehltretter
2026-10-05  7:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] locking/rtmutex: Support atomic PREEMPT_RT spin trylocks Karl Mehltretter
2026-10-05  7:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] mm: use atomic RT trylocks for no-lock allocation Karl Mehltretter
2026-10-05  7:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] selftests/bpf: exercise task storage from hrtimer_start Karl Mehltretter
2026-10-05  7:53   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-07 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] locking, mm: Add atomic allocator trylocks on RT Harry Yoo
2026-10-09 10:04   ` Karl Mehltretter
2026-10-20  2:14   ` Karl Mehltretter [this message]
2026-10-20 15:27 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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