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From: Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>
To: Luis Gerhorst <luis.gerhorst@fau.de>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
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	George Guo	 <guodongtai@kylinos.cn>, WANG Xuerui <git@xen0n.name>,
	Tiezhu Yang	 <yangtiezhu@loongson.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 00/11] bpf: Mitigate Spectre v1 using barriers
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:40:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f6f08d64c777a6022771ab0adf96cefb6b631d75.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250313172127.1098195-1-luis.gerhorst@fau.de>

On Thu, 2025-03-13 at 18:21 +0100, Luis Gerhorst wrote:
> This improves the expressiveness of unprivileged BPF by inserting
> speculation barriers instead of rejecting the programs.
> 
> The approach was previously presented at LPC'24 [1] and RAID'24 [2].
> 
> To mitigate the Spectre v1 (PHT) vulnerability, the kernel rejects
> potentially-dangerous unprivileged BPF programs as of
> commit 9183671af6db ("bpf: Fix leakage under speculation on mispredicted
> branches"). In [2], we have analyzed 364 object files from open source
> projects (Linux Samples and Selftests, BCC, Loxilb, Cilium, libbpf
> Examples, Parca, and Prevail) and found that this affects 31% to 54% of
> programs.
> 
> To resolve this in the majority of cases this patchset adds a fall-back
> for mitigating Spectre v1 using speculation barriers. The kernel still
> optimistically attempts to verify all speculative paths but uses
> speculation barriers against v1 when unsafe behavior is detected. This
> allows for more programs to be accepted without disabling the BPF
> Spectre mitigations (e.g., by setting cpu_mitigations_off()).
> 
> In [1] we have measured the overhead of this approach relative to having
> mitigations off and including the upstream Spectre v4 mitigations. For
> event tracing and stack-sampling profilers, we found that mitigations
> increase BPF program execution time by 0% to 62%. For the Loxilb network
> load balancer, we have measured a 14% slowdown in SCTP performance but
> no significant slowdown for TCP. This overhead only applies to programs
> that were previously rejected.
> 
> I reran the expressiveness-evaluation with v6.14 and made sure the main
> results still match those from [1] and [2] (which used v6.5).
> 
> Main design decisions are:
> 
> * Do not use separate bytecode insns for v1 and v4 barriers. This
>   simplifies the verifier significantly and has the only downside that
>   performance on PowerPC is not as high as it could be.
> 
> * Allow archs to still disable v1/v4 mitigations separately by setting
>   bpf_jit_bypass_spec_v1/v4(). This has the benefit that archs can
>   benefit from improved BPF expressiveness / performance if they are not
>   vulnerable (e.g., ARM64 for v4 in the kernel).
> 
> * Do not remove the empty BPF_NOSPEC implementation for backends for
>   which it is unknown whether they are vulnerable to Spectre v1.

[...]

I think it would be good to have some tests checking that nospec
instructions are inserted in expected locations.
Could you please take look at use of __xlated tag in e.g.
tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/verifier_sdiv.c ?

[...]


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-14 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-13 17:21 [PATCH bpf-next 00/11] bpf: Mitigate Spectre v1 using barriers Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:21 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/11] bpf: Move insn if/else into do_check_insn() Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-14 22:47   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-03-15 14:35     ` Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:21 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/11] bpf: Return -EFAULT on misconfigurations Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-15  8:06   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-03-13 17:29 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/11] bpf: Return -EFAULT on internal errors Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-15  8:07   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-03-13 17:33 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/11] bpf, arm64, powerpc: Add bpf_jit_bypass_spec_v1/v4() Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:38 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/11] bpf, arm64, powerpc: Change nospec to include v1 barrier Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/11] bpf: Rename sanitize_stack_spill to nospec_result Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/11] bpf: Fall back to nospec for Spectre v1 Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/11] bpf: Allow nospec-protected var-offset stack access Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/11] bpf: Return PTR_ERR from push_stack() Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-17  9:19     ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-03-18  7:59       ` Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:53 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/11] bpf: Fall back to nospec for sanitization-failures Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-13 17:53   ` [PATCH bpf-next 11/11] bpf: Fall back to nospec for spec path verification Luis Gerhorst
2025-03-19  2:40     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-19  9:06       ` Luis Gerhorst
2025-04-03 20:33         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-14 23:40 ` Eduard Zingerman [this message]
2025-03-15 15:20   ` [PATCH bpf-next 00/11] bpf: Mitigate Spectre v1 using barriers Luis Gerhorst

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