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From: Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
Cc: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	jikos@kernel.org, Jelle van der Waa <jelle@vdwaa.nl>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
	linux-leds@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 21:22:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36973f9d-bf67-417d-998c-ce24c38322c3@tuxedocomputers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZarYSkzISyS+wuYR@duo.ucw.cz>

Hi,

Am 19.01.24 um 21:15 schrieb Pavel Machek:
> Hi!
>
>>>> 2. Implement per-key keyboards as auxdisplay
>>>>
>>>>      - Pro:
>>>>
>>>>          - Already has a concept for led positions
>>>>
>>>>          - Is conceptually closer to "multiple leds forming a singular entity"
>>>>
>>>>      - Con:
>>>>
>>>>          - No preexisting UPower support
>>>>
>>>>          - No concept for special hardware lightning modes
>>>>
>>>>          - No support for arbitrary led outlines yet (e.g. ISO style enter-key)
>>> Please do this one.
>> Ok, so based on the discussion so far and Pavel's feedback lets try to
>> design a custom userspace API for this. I do not believe that auxdisplay
>> is a good fit because:
> Ok, so lets call this a "display". These days, framebuffers and drm
> handles displays. My proposal is to use similar API as other displays.
>
>> So my proposal would be an ioctl interface (ioctl only no r/w)
>> using /dev/rgbkbd0 /dev/rgbkdb1, etc. registered as a misc chardev.
>>
>> For per key controllable rgb LEDs we need to discuss a coordinate
>> system. I propose using a fixed size of 16 rows of 64 keys,
>> so 64x16 in standard WxH notation.
>>
>> And then storing RGB in separate bytes, so userspace will then
>> always send a buffer of 192 bytes per line (64x3) x 14 rows
>> = 3072 bytes. With the kernel driver ignoring parts of
>> the buffer where there are no actual keys.
> That's really really weird interface. If you are doing RGB888 64x14,
> lets make it a ... display? :-).
>
> ioctl always sending 3072 bytes is really a hack.
>
> Small displays exist and are quite common, surely we'd handle this as
> a display:
> https://pajenicko.cz/displeje/graficky-oled-displej-0-66-64x48-i2c-bily-wemos-d1-mini
> It is 64x48.
>
> And then there's this:
> https://pajenicko.cz/displeje/maticovy-8x8-led-displej-s-radicem-max7219
> and this:
> https://pajenicko.cz/displeje/maticovy-8x32-led-displej-s-radicem-max7219
>
> One of them is 8x8.
>
> Surely those should be displays, too?

But what about a light bar with, lets say, 3 zones. Is that a 3x1 display?

And what about a mouse having lit mousebuttons and a single led light bar at the 
wrist: a 2x2 display, but one is thin but long and one is not used?

Regards,

Werner

>
> And yes, we'd probably want some extra ioctls on top, for example to
> map from input device to this and back, and maybe for various effects,
> too. And yes, I realize that display with holes in it and with some
> pixels bigger than others is weird, but it still looks like a display
> to me. (And phones have high-res displays with rounded corners and
> holes in them, so... we'll need to deal with weird displays anyway).
>
> Best regards,
> 								Pavel

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-19 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-11 19:00 [PATCH] leds: rgb: Implement per-key keyboard backlight for several TUXEDO devices Werner Sembach
2023-10-11 19:21 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-12  8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-12 10:02   ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-12 14:05     ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-12 16:35       ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 12:19         ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 14:38           ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 14:54           ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 19:56             ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 20:03               ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-16 10:57               ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-23 11:40                 ` Jani Nikula
2023-10-23 11:44                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-11-20 20:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:52                   ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-21 11:33                     ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 12:20                       ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-21 13:29                         ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-22 18:34                           ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-27 10:59                             ` Werner Sembach
2023-12-29 19:13                               ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-17 15:26                               ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 16:50                               ` Userspace API for per key backlight for non HID (no hidraw) keyboards Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 19:03                                 ` Armin Wolf
2024-01-18  0:58                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 17:45                               ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-18 22:32                                 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19  8:44                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-19 10:51                                   ` Jani Nikula
2024-01-19 16:06                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 18:33                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-01-19 22:14                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-23 16:51                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:04                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-29 13:24                                     ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 11:12                                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 17:10                                         ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 18:09                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:35                                             ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 19:08                                               ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 19:46                                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-31 11:41                                                   ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux Werner Sembach
2024-01-31 15:52                                                     ` Roderick Colenbrander
2024-02-21 11:12                                                     ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Werner Sembach
2024-02-21 22:17                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22  9:04                                                         ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-02-22 17:38                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23  8:53                                                             ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-07-23 20:40                                                               ` Keybaords with arrays of RGB LEDs was " Pavel Machek
2024-02-23  9:21                                                             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2024-02-22 10:46                                                         ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 11:38                                                           ` Gregor Riepl
2024-02-22 12:39                                                             ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 13:14                                                               ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3 Werner Sembach
2024-03-18 11:11                                                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-19 15:18                                                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:18                                                                     ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 17:01                                                                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:16                                                                 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:33                                                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 18:45                                                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:25                                                                   ` In kernel virtual HID devices (was Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3) Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 15:56                                                                     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-25 16:48                                                                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:30                                                                         ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-26  7:57                                                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-26 15:39                                                                             ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-26 16:57                                                                               ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:03                                                                                 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-28 23:52                                                                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:01                                                                               ` Hans de Goede
2024-07-24 17:36                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2024-07-24 21:08                                                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:38                                                                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-09 13:33                                                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-22 17:42                                                               ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:52                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:23                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23  8:33                                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:15                                   ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:22                                     ` Werner Sembach [this message]
2024-01-19 20:32                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-29 13:24                                     ` Hans de Goede
2023-10-12 13:00 ` [PATCH] leds: rgb: Implement per-key keyboard backlight for several TUXEDO devices kernel test robot
2023-10-16 11:21 ` kernel test robot

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