[linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Jorg de Jong]

Hi,

I just released LVM Gui version 0.2. 
You can download it at the projects website:

        http://www.xs4all.nl/~mmj/lvm

In this release I have also include the source code,
for those who are interested. 

Although I did not get that match feedback on my 
first release, I still hope people find the LVM Gui
useful, despite the fact that it is written in java.

Summary of the changes:
* Version 0.2 first source release

+ New Features / Enhancements / Bug Fixes

- added images for LV and PV. 
- extend/reduce a VG
- extend/reduce a LV
- added vgscan in menu
- changed File->Rescan to File->Refresh

regards,

Jorg de Jong

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Terje Kvernes]

Jorg de Jong <jorg.de.jong@ida.xs4all.nl> writes:

> In this release I have also include the source code, for those who
> are interested.

  rather interesting, yes. I guess I'll someday have to install java
  on my boxes... :/
 
> Although I did not get that match feedback on my first release, I
> still hope people find the LVM Gui useful, despite the fact that it
> is written in java.

  well, I, and a lot of people I know, don't use java much (read: at
  all) and hence don't have it installed. it might be useful to at
  least have some links pointing people to where they could download a
  working java system for their linux flavor. :)
 
> + New Features / Enhancements / Bug Fixes
> 
> - added images for LV and PV. 
> - extend/reduce a VG
> - extend/reduce a LV
> - added vgscan in menu
> - changed File->Rescan to File->Refresh

  sounds cute. I was actually thinking of writing something like this
  myself, but can't really decide on what language to do it in. :)

-- 
Terje

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Ralph Jennings]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:02:10AM +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> Jorg de Jong <jorg.de.jong@ida.xs4all.nl> writes:
> > + New Features / Enhancements / Bug Fixes
> > 
> > - added images for LV and PV. 
> > - extend/reduce a VG
> > - extend/reduce a LV
> > - added vgscan in menu
> > - changed File->Rescan to File->Refresh
> 
>   sounds cute. I was actually thinking of writing something like this
>   myself, but can't really decide on what language to do it in. :)

How about Tcl/Tk?  Quick and easy to learn (a bit C, and Perl combined).
I picked it up quick by hacking allready made scripts, and I didn't know
any perl, but I know some C.  And you've got a good one allready made,
"/usr/src/linux/scripts/kconfig.tk" (might have to do "make xconfig" to
create it though).  Not as pretty as java, or C, but much faster than C
to create, and will run on most systems.

 -Me

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Eric M. Hopper]

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On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 12:23:11PM -0800, Ralph Jennings wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:02:10AM +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> > Jorg de Jong <jorg.de.jong@ida.xs4all.nl> writes:
> > > + New Features / Enhancements / Bug Fixes
> > > 
> > > - added images for LV and PV. 
> > > - extend/reduce a VG
> > > - extend/reduce a LV
> > > - added vgscan in menu
> > > - changed File->Rescan to File->Refresh
> > 
> >   sounds cute. I was actually thinking of writing something like this
> >   myself, but can't really decide on what language to do it in. :)
> 
> How about Tcl/Tk?  Quick and easy to learn (a bit C, and Perl combined).
> I picked it up quick by hacking allready made scripts, and I didn't know
> any perl, but I know some C.  And you've got a good one allready made,
> "/usr/src/linux/scripts/kconfig.tk" (might have to do "make xconfig" to
> create it though).  Not as pretty as java, or C, but much faster than C
> to create, and will run on most systems.

	:-P

	Tcl/Tk has got to be the ickiest language I've ever had the
displeasure of writing a program in this side of BASIC.  It combines the
obtuseness of lisp with the execution speed of Javascript.

	Might I humbly suggest Python.  :-) Python is much cleaner than
Tcl/Tk.  You can even use Tcl/Tk from Python without having to write any
Tcl code.  Or, you could use PyGTK or PyGNOME and have a nicer looking
interface.  :-) It's also nearly as fast to develop in as Tcl/TK.  It
has a command line interpreter and a very regular set of rules.

Have fun (if at all possible),
-- 
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they
be properly armed.  -- Alexander Hamilton
-- Eric Hopper (hopper@omnifarious.mn.org http://www.omnifarious.org/~hopper) --

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Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Terje Kvernes]

"Eric M. Hopper" <hopper@omnifarious.mn.org> writes:

> Tcl/Tk has got to be the ickiest language I've ever had the
> displeasure of writing a program in this side of BASIC. It combines
> the obtuseness of lisp with the execution speed of Javascript.

  what? ick. Common Lisp is _very_ nice to work with thank you. that
  Tcl is the ultimate masochist language even beyond befunge on the
  other hand is true.
 
> Might I humbly suggest Python. :-) Python is much cleaner than
> Tcl/Tk. 

  python is fair enough. 

> You can even use Tcl/Tk from Python without having to write any Tcl
> code. Or, you could use PyGTK or PyGNOME and have a nicer looking
> interface. :-) It's also nearly as fast to develop in as Tcl/TK. It
> has a command line interpreter and a very regular set of rules.

  I was locked in a few choices, I know perl very well, I know python
  quite well. I know lisp enough to love it. 

  the question is maintenance. and I wonder if I write perl so much
  better than python that it would be a good idea. then again, I'm not
  that happy producing code in either. 

  and right now, I don't have time. :(
 
> Have fun (if at all possible),

  oh, we do try.

-- 
Terje

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Harri Haataja]

On 28 Mar 2001, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> "Eric M. Hopper" <hopper@omnifarious.mn.org> writes:
> 
> > Tcl/Tk has got to be the ickiest language I've ever had the
> > displeasure of writing a program in this side of BASIC. It combines
> > the obtuseness of lisp with the execution speed of Javascript.
> 
>   what? ick. Common Lisp is _very_ nice to work with thank you. that
>   Tcl is the ultimate masochist language even beyond befunge on the
>   other hand is true.

Well, you might consider rep-gtk then?  =)
(No, I have no idea what it's like.)

I'd still like to note that it may very likely have to be compiled on a
server that doesn't have toolkit x. This rules mostly out QT, sometimes
GTK and maybe even TK.

Anyone thought about a curses one? It might still help visualizing the
stuff and intimidate some users less, help prevent stupid mistakes
etc. Gui doesn't have to be X.

Just my thoughts =)

-- 
Funk, Funking n.
   A shrinking back through fear. Colloq. ``The horrid panic,
   or funk (as the men of Eton call it).'' --De Quincey.

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Steven Lembark]

> > Tcl/Tk has got to be the ickiest language I've ever had the
> > displeasure of writing a program in this side of BASIC. It combines
> > the obtuseness of lisp with the execution speed of Javascript.
> 
>   what? ick. Common Lisp is _very_ nice to work with thank you. that
>   Tcl is the ultimate masochist language even beyond befunge on the
>   other hand is true.
> 
> > Might I humbly suggest Python. :-) Python is much cleaner than
> > Tcl/Tk.
> 
>   python is fair enough.

except that it doesn't gracefully handle most o/s issues.  it's
especially painful to inline C (if necessary).

> > You can even use Tcl/Tk from Python without having to write any Tcl
> > code. Or, you could use PyGTK or PyGNOME and have a nicer looking
> > interface. :-) It's also nearly as fast to develop in as Tcl/TK. It
> > has a command line interpreter and a very regular set of rules.
> 
>   I was locked in a few choices, I know perl very well, I know python
>   quite well. I know lisp enough to love it.
> 
>   the question is maintenance. and I wonder if I write perl so much
>   better than python that it would be a good idea. then again, I'm not
>   that happy producing code in either.
> 
>   and right now, I don't have time. :(
> 
> > Have fun (if at all possible),
> 
>   oh, we do try.

if you like lisp, use perl -- lists of lists are lists :-)  it's
especially convienent for things like LVM, which are... well... 
lists.

-- 
 Steven Lembark                                   2930 W. Palmer St.
                                                 Chicago, IL  60647
 lembark@wrkhors.com                                   800-762-1582

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Steven Lembark]

> > > + New Features / Enhancements / Bug Fixes
> > >
> > > - added images for LV and PV.
> > > - extend/reduce a VG
> > > - extend/reduce a LV
> > > - added vgscan in menu
> > > - changed File->Rescan to File->Refresh
> >
> >   sounds cute. I was actually thinking of writing something like this
> >   myself, but can't really decide on what language to do it in. :)
> 
> How about Tcl/Tk?  Quick and easy to learn (a bit C, and Perl combined).
> I picked it up quick by hacking allready made scripts, and I didn't know
> any perl, but I know some C.  And you've got a good one allready made,
> "/usr/src/linux/scripts/kconfig.tk" (might have to do "make xconfig" to
> create it though).  Not as pretty as java, or C, but much faster than C
> to create, and will run on most systems.

the perl for this would look pretty much like the C.  you could
use Perl/Tk to make the programming easier (i.e., modular w/
reasonable exeption handling).

-- 
 Steven Lembark                                   2930 W. Palmer St.
                                                 Chicago, IL  60647
 lembark@wrkhors.com                                   800-762-1582

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Terje Kvernes]

Jens Benecke <jens@jensbenecke.de> writes:

> well, if you want quick, easy but powerful GUI development try Qt.

  right. and you'll suggest using C++?  the python-interface isn't
  that grand, to put it bluntly.

> You can provide a static version for those who don't have a desktop
> environment like KDE running, my main reason for Qt is however that
> it's just plain *FUN* to hack. Easy, straight forward, fast, stable
> and free - GPL'ed.

  I'll agree to most of that. and the docs are wonderful. the only
  issue is the light fact that it's written in C++. I sadly enough
  think that if I ever start something like this I'll be ending up
  using perl/[G]tk. 

> Just my opinion, however.

  don't worry, you're entitled to it. :p

-- 
Terje - who dislikes C++ a tad more than Java, and a tad less than
        Tcl. maybe something written in TECO would be nice.

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Erik Bågfors]

On 28 Mar 2001 01:59:49 +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> Jens Benecke <jens@jensbenecke.de> writes:
> 
> > well, if you want quick, easy but powerful GUI development try Qt.
> 
>   right. and you'll suggest using C++?  the python-interface isn't
>   that grand, to put it bluntly.
> 
> > You can provide a static version for those who don't have a desktop
> > environment like KDE running, my main reason for Qt is however that
> > it's just plain *FUN* to hack. Easy, straight forward, fast, stable
> > and free - GPL'ed.
> 
>   I'll agree to most of that. and the docs are wonderful. the only
>   issue is the light fact that it's written in C++. I sadly enough
>   think that if I ever start something like this I'll be ending up
>   using perl/[G]tk. 
> 
> > Just my opinion, however.
> 
>   don't worry, you're entitled to it. :p
> 
> -- 
> Terje - who dislikes C++ a tad more than Java, and a tad less than
>         Tcl. maybe something written in TECO would be nice.

In case you guys haven't checked out ruby please do.  It's alot cooler
than python and there is both tk, gtk, fox and qt-interfaces to it.  (I
think the QT one is pre-alpha or something :) )

/Erik  - this is kinda of-topic isn't it? :)

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Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Ed Tomlinson]

On Wednesday 28 March 2001 02:26, you wrote:

I take a different view than most people here.  Java is fine.
I do not mind a java gui.  If the program is stuctured right,
the same code would allow me to administer a linux lvm from
almost any box (linux or not) all with the same code, without
any recompiles.

Java works.  Your gui will be a nice addition.  Please write it
in what even lang you want too.

Ed Tomlinson

> On 28 Mar 2001 01:59:49 +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> > Jens Benecke <jens@jensbenecke.de> writes:
> > > well, if you want quick, easy but powerful GUI development try Qt.
> >
> >   right. and you'll suggest using C++?  the python-interface isn't
> >   that grand, to put it bluntly.
> >
> > > You can provide a static version for those who don't have a desktop
> > > environment like KDE running, my main reason for Qt is however that
> > > it's just plain *FUN* to hack. Easy, straight forward, fast, stable
> > > and free - GPL'ed.
> >
> >   I'll agree to most of that. and the docs are wonderful. the only
> >   issue is the light fact that it's written in C++. I sadly enough
> >   think that if I ever start something like this I'll be ending up
> >   using perl/[G]tk.
> >
> > > Just my opinion, however.
> >
> >   don't worry, you're entitled to it. :p
> >
> > --
> > Terje - who dislikes C++ a tad more than Java, and a tad less than
> >         Tcl. maybe something written in TECO would be nice.
>
> In case you guys haven't checked out ruby please do.  It's alot cooler
> than python and there is both tk, gtk, fox and qt-interfaces to it.  (I
> think the QT one is pre-alpha or something :) )
>
> /Erik  - this is kinda of-topic isn't it? :)

Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Erik Bågfors]

On 28 Mar 2001 07:34:08 -0500, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 March 2001 02:26, you wrote:
> 
> I take a different view than most people here.  Java is fine.
> I do not mind a java gui.  If the program is stuctured right,
> the same code would allow me to administer a linux lvm from
> almost any box (linux or not) all with the same code, without
> any recompiles.
> 
> Java works.  Your gui will be a nice addition.  Please write it
> in what even lang you want too.
> 


No no no.. languages are religion.  If you're not with us you're against
us :)

No.. just kidding.. I agree.. use the whatever is the right tool for you
to get the job done.  However, talking about tools is never wrong..

/Erik - will leave this OT stuff now :)

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Re: [linux-lvm] lvmgui 0.2 release

[Jorg de Jong]

> 
> > Although I did not get that match feedback on my first release, I
> > still hope people find the LVM Gui useful, despite the fact that it
> > is written in java.
> 
>   well, I, and a lot of people I know, don't use java much (read: at
>   all) and hence don't have it installed. it might be useful to at
>   least have some links pointing people to where they could download a
>   working java system for their linux flavor. :)
> 
By you suggestion I have added two links where you can download java:
	http://www.xs4all.nl/~mmj/lvm