linux-lvm.redhat.com archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Zdenek Kabelac <zkabelac@redhat.com>
To: LVM general discussion and development <linux-lvm@redhat.com>
Cc: markw@mohawksoft.com
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] Snapshots of snapshots are not supported yet
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:03:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DB0CF6.7070400@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b6fa555a0b30a89536d74e2d26c4dc35.squirrel@mail.mohawksoft.com>

Dne 8.7.2013 19:57, markw@mohawksoft.com napsal(a):
>> Dne 8.7.2013 18:05, markw@mohawksoft.com napsal(a):
>>> I'm trying to get a snapshot of a snapshot. I know the new thin
>>> provisioning stuff supports this, but I'm not sure the release state is
>>> something I can use at a customer.
>>>
>>> Using LVM2, the snapshot format is tried and true, but inefficient if
>>> you
>>> want to take multiple snapshots.
>>>
>>> Looking at dmsetup, there doesn't seem like there would be an issue
>>> taking
>>> a snapshot of a snapshot, but it is disabled in the tools.
>>>
>>> I guess my question is this: Can it be done? Is there any reason why it
>>> should not work?
>>>
>>
>> 1. Noone has written support for it in lvm2. And AFAICK noone is working
>> on this.
>
> I thought I saw a patch for this in the 2010 time frame.
>

I'm not aware of any such support

>>
>> 2. Since the activation order of old snapshot is not as simple as with
>> other
>> targets, it's currently not so easy to add support for into lvm deptree
>> resolver.
>
> In my case I would, more or less, be maintaining a lot of the
> interdependency information for the chain of shapshots and it would
> managed by a daemon being controlled by an application, not really subject
> to the whims of a sys admin.


Beware the old snaps are meant to be used as a 'temporary  objects'
not something you want to keep for a long time - it's degrading write 
performance of origin device and there is also no safe resize support -
i.e. when you overfill snapshot - it's invalidated.  If you would
have used such snapshot as a base origin for a chain with not enough space - 
then whole chain is lost.

> Is there a stable and supported way of getting this functionality? FYI:
> I'm trying to use RHEL as the basis for this and I think that's an old
> 2.6.x kernel.

Kernel RHEL6 2.6 is a heavily modified version - so it has a lot
of features of 3.X kernel and dm support is basically back ported to very 
latest version - so you have there thin provisioning support.

If you want to use snaps of snaps - I'd really recommend to use
thins and report problems rather there - then trying to old snaps.
They were not designed for this use-case.

Zdenek

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-08 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-08 16:05 [linux-lvm] Snapshots of snapshots are not supported yet markw
2013-07-08 17:41 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2013-07-08 17:57   ` markw
2013-07-08 19:03     ` Zdenek Kabelac [this message]
2013-07-10  3:45       ` markw
2013-07-10  8:25         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2013-07-10 14:45           ` markw
2013-07-10 18:43             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2013-07-10 19:16               ` markw
2013-07-10 20:12               ` markw
2013-07-10 20:15                 ` Zdenek Kabelac

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=51DB0CF6.7070400@redhat.com \
    --to=zkabelac@redhat.com \
    --cc=linux-lvm@redhat.com \
    --cc=markw@mohawksoft.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).