From: DarkNovaNick@gmail.com
To: Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>, DarkNovaNick@gmail.com
Cc: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
LVM general discussion and development <linux-lvm@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] Testing TRIM with LVM
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:38:20 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bcaec51d23ca2a6bab04a0ce99d8@google.com> (raw)
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On Apr 13, 2011 3:41am, Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dne 13.4.2011 03:47, DarkNovaNick@gmail.com napsal(a):
> > On Apr 12, 2011 6:47pm, Mike Snitzer snitzer@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Apr 12 2011 at 10:59am -0400,
> >
> >> DarkNovaNick@gmail.com DarkNovaNick@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> > I recently purchased a Crucial C300 SSD and set it up as my primary
> >
> >> > drive. I wanted to use LVM, and my reading indicates that LVM added
> >
> >> > support to pass-through TRIM commands with kernel 2.6.37. I'm
> >
> >> > running Ubuntu 10.10, but I installed the latest 11.04 kernel, so
> >
> >> > I'm running kernel 2.6.38-8. I added "discard" to fstab so my
> >
> >> > mountpoint looks like:
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > /dev/mapper/vg0-vol0 on / type ext4
> >
> >> > (rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,discard,commit=0)
> >
> >
> >
> >> If the discards aren't working then ext4 will print a warning and stop
> >
> >> issuing them, see: http://git.kernel.org/linus/a30eec2a8650a77f7
> >
> >
> >
> >> So if you don't see "discard not supported, disabling" in your dmesg
> (or
> >
> >> /var/log/messages) then TRIM is likely working as expected.
> >
> >
> >
> >> > I found directions on various sites like:
> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://duopetalflower.blogspot.com/2010/11/enterprise-kernel-6-has-ssd-trim.html
> >>
> >
> >> > on how to confirm if TRIM is working. I ran (as root):
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > dd if=/dev/urandom of=tempfile count=100 bs=512k oflag=direct
> >
> >> > hdparm --fibmap tempfile
> >
> >> > (then took the first begin_LBA)
> >
> >> > hdparm --read-sector 191710208 /dev/sda
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > and it printed:
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > /dev/sda:
> >
> >> > reading sector 191710208: succeeded
> >
> >> > 3254 3a32 3834 313a 2b36 3030 303a 2030
> >
> >> > 4544 5542 2047 3728 3a29 5320 7661 6e69
> >
> >> > 2067 6e69 6564 2078 6f66 2072 7270 646f
> >
> >> > ............
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > Then I ran:
> >
> >> > rm tempfile
> >
> >> > sync
> >
> >> > hdparm --read-sector 191710208 /dev/sda
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > and it still returned:
> >
> >> > /dev/sda:
> >
> >> > reading sector 191710208: succeeded
> >
> >> > 3254 3a32 3834 313a 2b36 3030 303a 2030
> >
> >> > 4544 5542 2047 3728 3a29 5320 7661 6e69
> >
> >> > 2067 6e69 6564 2078 6f66 2072 7270 646f
> >
> >> > .............
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > If TRIM is working, the sector is supposed to contain all zeros.
> >
> >
> >
> >> That is only if the SSD implements TRIM so that it zeroes the discarded
> >
> >> blocks. You can check if the device at least knows enough to report
> >
> >> discard_zeroes_data:
> >
> >
> >
> >> cat /sys/block/sda/queue/discard_zeroes_data
> >
> >
> >
> >> Also, even if the SSD does zero, it may take some time -- well after
> the
> >
> >> discard has completed -- for the SSD to actually zero the blocks (this
> >
> >> is true of some lesser quality SSDs).
> >
> >
> >
> >> > Am I doing something wrong or do I need to do something more to get
> >
> >> > LVM to pass down the TRIM command?
> >
> >
> >
> >> LVM (device mapper specifically) passes discards perfectly well. But
> >
> >> the snapshot and dm-crypt targets don't have discard support. All other
> >
> >> targets do have discard support. What is your output for: dmsetup table
> >
> >
> >
> >> Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I get 0 back when I do "cat /sys/block/sda/queue/discard_zeroes_data"
> so does
> > this mean that my drive doesn't zero out the TRIMed blocks? I don't
> really
> > care if it does or does not, I just want to make sure the drive is
> getting the
> > TRIM commands as the benchmarks I've seen show performance degradation
> if they
> > aren't used.
> As I've the same drive - what kind of performance degradation do you see?
> Note: this drive (unlike many others) is processing TRIM command on
> background. So 'traditional' benchmark do not provide valuable results.
> (As we've been evaluating this drive somewhat to compare with Intel).
> Outcome is - when you issue TRIM command - it's immediately finished -
> but the
> performance of drive is temporarily decreased while the drive is
> performing
> block trimming for some time. Thus you might get 'impressive' results when
> some benchmarks are evaluating TRIM performance ;)
> Zdenek
I may not have been clear, but the benchmarks I am referring to show the
performance degradation if you are *not* using TRIM (ie just relying on the
drive's internal garbage collector). Which is why I want to make sure the
TRIM is working so it doesn't get into this poor state.
Nick
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-12 14:59 [linux-lvm] Testing TRIM with LVM DarkNovaNick
2011-04-12 23:47 ` Mike Snitzer
2011-04-13 1:47 ` DarkNovaNick
2011-04-13 8:41 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2011-04-13 15:38 ` DarkNovaNick [this message]
2011-04-13 22:40 ` [linux-lvm] [PATCH] dm snapshot: add discard support to the snapshot-origin target [was: Re: Testing TRIM with LVM] Mike Snitzer
2011-04-13 23:48 ` [linux-lvm] " Mike Snitzer
2011-04-26 17:32 ` Mike Snitzer
2011-04-28 0:19 ` [linux-lvm] [PATCH] dm snapshot: ignore discards issued to the snapshot-origin target Mike Snitzer
2011-04-28 7:53 ` [linux-lvm] [dm-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-28 20:59 ` [linux-lvm] do not disable ext4 discards on first discard failure? [was: Re: dm snapshot: ignore discards issued to the snapshot-origin target] Mike Snitzer
2011-04-28 21:28 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-28 22:59 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-04-28 23:01 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-28 23:11 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-04-29 1:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-29 13:55 ` Mike Snitzer
2011-04-29 9:30 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-04-29 12:24 ` [linux-lvm] [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2011-04-29 12:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-29 14:28 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-29 15:13 ` Ray Morris
2011-05-04 16:33 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-05-04 17:02 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-02 7:16 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-02 8:13 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2011-05-02 8:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 10:24 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-02 12:48 ` [linux-lvm] " Mike Snitzer
2011-05-02 13:05 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-02 14:47 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-02 14:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 14:58 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-02 13:48 ` [linux-lvm] [dm-devel] " Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-02 14:20 ` Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-02 14:39 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-02 14:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-02 14:58 ` [linux-lvm] " Mike Snitzer
2011-05-02 16:58 ` [linux-lvm] [dm-devel] " Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-03 8:57 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-04 15:10 ` Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-04 16:02 ` [linux-lvm] " Mike Snitzer
2011-05-04 16:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-04 18:03 ` Mike Snitzer
2011-05-04 17:10 ` [linux-lvm] [dm-devel] " Lukas Czerner
2011-05-04 17:32 ` Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-04 17:35 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-18 12:16 ` [linux-lvm] " Mike Snitzer
2011-05-18 12:52 ` Mike Snitzer
2011-05-04 15:16 ` [linux-lvm] [dm-devel] " Martin K. Petersen
2011-05-04 16:12 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-05-05 8:33 ` Karel Zak
2011-05-05 10:48 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-04-14 15:31 ` [linux-lvm] [PATCH] dm snapshot: add discard support to the snapshot-origin target [was: Re: Testing TRIM wi DarkNovaNick
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