From: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/3] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 10:16:12 +1000 (AEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1c9095f5-df5c-2129-df11-877a03a205ab@linux-m68k.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57bca164-4e63-496d-9074-79fd89feb835@app.fastmail.com>
On Mon, 15 Sep 2025, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2025, at 12:37, Finn Thain wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2025, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >>
> >> > When you do atomic operations on atomic_t or atomic64_t, (sizeof(long)
> >> > - 1) probably doesn't make much sense. But atomic operations get used on
> >> > scalar types (aside from atomic_t and atomic64_t) that don't have natural
> >> > alignment. Please refer to the other thread about this:
> >> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/ed1e0896-fd85-5101-e136-e4a5a37ca5ff@linux-m68k.org/
> >>
> >> Perhaps set ARCH_SLAB_MINALIGN ?
> >>
> >
> > That's not going to help much. The 850 byte offset of task_works into
> > struct task_struct and the 418 byte offset of exit_state in struct
> > task_struct are already misaligned.
>
> Has there been any progress on building m68k kernels with -mint-align?
Not that I know of.
> IIRC there are only a small number of uapi structures that need
> __packed annotations to maintain the existing syscall ABI.
>
Packing uapi structures (and adopting -malign-int) sounds easier than the
alternative, which might be to align certain internal kernel struct
members, on a case-by-case basis, where doing so could be shown to improve
performance on some architecture or other (while keeping -mno-align-int).
Well, it's easy to find all the structs that belong to the uapi, but it's
not easy to find all the internal kernel structs that describe MMIO
registers. For -malign-int, both kinds of structs are a problem.
If better performance is to be had, my guess is that aligning atomic_t
will get 80% of it (just an appeal to the Pareto principle, FWIW...)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-16 0:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-14 0:45 [RFC v2 0/3] Align atomic storage Finn Thain
2025-09-14 0:45 ` [RFC v2 1/3] documentation: Discourage alignment assumptions Finn Thain
2025-09-14 0:45 ` [RFC v2 3/3] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations Finn Thain
2025-09-15 8:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15 9:38 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 10:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15 10:37 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 11:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-16 0:16 ` Finn Thain [this message]
2025-09-16 10:10 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-17 1:23 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-16 12:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-16 21:38 ` Brad Boyer
2025-09-17 16:54 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-09-17 2:14 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-22 15:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23 6:39 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-14 0:45 ` [RFC v2 2/3] atomic: Specify alignment for atomic_t and atomic64_t Finn Thain
2025-09-15 7:13 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-15 7:35 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-15 8:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15 9:26 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 9:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-22 7:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-22 8:16 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-22 9:29 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-22 15:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23 6:28 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-23 6:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23 8:05 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-23 19:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-30 2:18 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-30 6:35 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-01 1:03 ` Finn Thain
2025-10-01 6:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06 9:25 ` Finn Thain
2025-10-06 9:25 ` Finn Thain
2025-10-06 10:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06 10:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-06 11:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-30 7:41 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-01 1:46 ` Finn Thain
2025-10-01 7:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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