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From: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/3] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 10:16:12 +1000 (AEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1c9095f5-df5c-2129-df11-877a03a205ab@linux-m68k.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57bca164-4e63-496d-9074-79fd89feb835@app.fastmail.com>


On Mon, 15 Sep 2025, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 15, 2025, at 12:37, Finn Thain wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2025, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >>
> >> > When you do atomic operations on atomic_t or atomic64_t, (sizeof(long)
> >> > - 1) probably doesn't make much sense. But atomic operations get used on 
> >> > scalar types (aside from atomic_t and atomic64_t) that don't have natural 
> >> > alignment. Please refer to the other thread about this: 
> >> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/ed1e0896-fd85-5101-e136-e4a5a37ca5ff@linux-m68k.org/
> >> 
> >> Perhaps set ARCH_SLAB_MINALIGN ?
> >> 
> >
> > That's not going to help much. The 850 byte offset of task_works into 
> > struct task_struct and the 418 byte offset of exit_state in struct 
> > task_struct are already misaligned.
> 
> Has there been any progress on building m68k kernels with -mint-align?

Not that I know of.

> IIRC there are only a small number of uapi structures that need
> __packed annotations to maintain the existing syscall ABI.
> 

Packing uapi structures (and adopting -malign-int) sounds easier than the 
alternative, which might be to align certain internal kernel struct 
members, on a case-by-case basis, where doing so could be shown to improve 
performance on some architecture or other (while keeping -mno-align-int).

Well, it's easy to find all the structs that belong to the uapi, but it's 
not easy to find all the internal kernel structs that describe MMIO 
registers. For -malign-int, both kinds of structs are a problem.

If better performance is to be had, my guess is that aligning atomic_t 
will get 80% of it (just an appeal to the Pareto principle, FWIW...)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16  0:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-14  0:45 [RFC v2 0/3] Align atomic storage Finn Thain
2025-09-14  0:45 ` [RFC v2 1/3] documentation: Discourage alignment assumptions Finn Thain
2025-09-14  0:45 ` [RFC v2 3/3] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations Finn Thain
2025-09-15  8:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15  9:38     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 10:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15 10:37         ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15 11:20           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-16  0:16             ` Finn Thain [this message]
2025-09-16 10:10               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-17  1:23                 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-16 12:37               ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-16 21:38                 ` Brad Boyer
2025-09-17 16:54                   ` Andreas Schwab
2025-09-17  2:14                 ` Finn Thain
2025-09-22 15:49                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23  6:39                     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-14  0:45 ` [RFC v2 2/3] atomic: Specify alignment for atomic_t and atomic64_t Finn Thain
2025-09-15  7:13   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-15  7:35   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-15  8:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15  9:26     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-15  9:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-22  7:06   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-22  8:16     ` Finn Thain
2025-09-22  9:29       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-22 15:21       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23  6:28         ` Finn Thain
2025-09-23  6:41           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-23  8:05             ` Finn Thain
2025-09-23 19:11               ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-30  2:18           ` Finn Thain
2025-09-30  6:35             ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-01  1:03               ` Finn Thain
2025-10-01  6:44                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06  9:25                   ` Finn Thain
2025-10-06  9:25               ` Finn Thain
2025-10-06 10:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06 10:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-06 11:09                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-06  9:37               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-30  7:41             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-01  1:46               ` Finn Thain
2025-10-01  7:08                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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