From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 143F8175D5D for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 06:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=130.133.4.66 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1729839114; cv=none; b=cGQBkJKOGS96sCiMqVB3pFbNwT8mQn2q8b37xPrLL213VVEMTxFzM/LIbQoulvPibbWYIfbyKUqspsz5F2WFNYeWAOueXrGHKThlwm30a4Iu2s5mfnWx5zrn43tjTlheCQIK6KK7IYjiy6FzxjnKIgiqKb5OR8nb9U0ZrEK3S4I= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1729839114; c=relaxed/simple; bh=YQh4/f65l75A155xplMfJcvtw4A7nt3XcTGv9Hn2GR8=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=BsjVHQ4LhxTFTz6JKDYPzqatvPil2IOmvaZEl+P47b5HnvFmQCU+ux8LMJfzbsMPjGuN2dDxvs80ty1CI6JWMnbJ/D3D5dlYSKWlyC2EOD0uPLVZ/jwwTOyNtJf5h8n8uAmdPa7Ybh7S1cBbVYNJts2GCvjTxeoZcemmtbsXZHk= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=physik.fu-berlin.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zedat.fu-berlin.de; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fu-berlin.de header.i=@fu-berlin.de header.b=CdsOLZLn; arc=none smtp.client-ip=130.133.4.66 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=physik.fu-berlin.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zedat.fu-berlin.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fu-berlin.de header.i=@fu-berlin.de header.b="CdsOLZLn" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fu-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=GlCxbkHbUTVFmNsTnG3DYbTQLnPbRQ3CHvEtet1HMl8=; t=1729839110; x=1730443910; b=CdsOLZLnSPWwvnvyzKgFP1BxWBkFpd790O7ZI4zBePcqptVbpfbSr4PSJU5YU4SZa2wg9hliZex FrAG828XKqV8HDedlIh56nmA4I10Hzo+E+ykowCtk4K7DewyfNMOkWz5Di6qtxPCnR7bD4rxlrUXX Ukfi1msUao1VRirNITAUNMnjs4XBTkkWAONnnzZGbEVRXTOQVnL3y69YNjIaFOvVPaIR/83TLQK0D hDtr/lPIUxJIHIhh1qig78e97diC4MvNjYX4TpGNUi47KLtikLF1TfqOcxcOjGNQWc5FPMDv8thZC OuvUEA+VLcidSc5JIrCyq49YhmhUtL6NWEiQ==; Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.98) with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1t4E7F-00000001XwX-1HLG; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:48:09 +0200 Received: from p57bd904e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.189.144.78] helo=suse-laptop.fritz.box) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.98) with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1t4E7F-00000003CYi-0LOe; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:48:09 +0200 Message-ID: <3a5e171bf42e5273eb8235cba04e8328b19c2ca4.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Plan needed for switching m68k to 32-bit alignment From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz To: linux-m68k Cc: debian-68k , James Le Cuirot , Sam James , Geert Uytterhoeven , Andreas Schwab , Arnd Bergmann , Thorsten Glaser Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:48:08 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.1 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de X-ZEDAT-Hint: PO Hello, the m68k port has reached the point where switching the default alignment from 16-bit to 32-bit is inevitable as the number of packages affected by alignment issues have become too large. It even includes Python 3.13 these days. Since I don't think the situation is getting better by postponing action he= re in the future, I suggest that we have a virtual meetup soonish to discuss a strategy for switching the port over. Maybe a page could be created either on the Debian or Gentoo Wiki to draft = a design for switching over. Geert also mentioned that we should use this transition= to clean up the kernel ABI by removing old syscalls and switch the kernel to asm-gen= eric which is why I have included Arnd Bergmann in the CC list. Please join #gentoo-m68k on Libera if you want to discuss this issue. Adrian --=20 .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913