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Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 11:06:44 +1000 (AEST) From: Finn Thain To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz cc: Stefan Reinauer , Stan Johnson , Geert Uytterhoeven , Jean-Michel Hautbois , port-m68k , debian-68k , linux-m68k Subject: Re: Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4db7696c-a9bd-02be-4be5-0f4993e1e4dc@linux-m68k.org> References: <442267d5-241e-44a5-9b54-fee06bc5c03b@yoseli.org> <9013836044f8bfb7f0cd62ba536f6a1c75034465.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <80f5c684-638b-4486-9026-1f8689a7f147@yoseli.org> <95e56d983ace4976143c7e1180ffe5606c0ee3fe.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <758f14d8-6d03-2aab-468b-170b0bbb7d2a@linux-m68k.org> <8e0186f61cc9bbed2373ae215e80ab7e70042793.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <48ebcafa-467d-05a4-17f6-7cc078596d88@linux-m68k.org> <48af5d8ed5b1546cb3db3b2c2314b1e41de38aad.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <0d7b5c87-f0f7-70a4-cf75-5147e67904da@yahoo.com> <131b33a26efd2b0e21dfee784821dcaf3aeddad4.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <7d9d8c95-1b06-c6c5-0932-7ba3af55829a@linux-m68k.org> <6c1d08bf4cd4d7c92338357bd61dca8a23559ad0.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <1625e816-3f04-e700-308e-990f86c9a647@linux-m68k.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 13 Jun 2025, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Thu, 2025-06-12 at 18:19 +1000, Finn Thain wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2025, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2025-06-11 at 20:16 -0700, Stefan Reinauer wrote: > > > > > > > > Fixing pthreads would probably go a long way. That's where we lost > > > > about half of our performance. > > > > > > This may be accurate, but I'm again not sure how this is related to > > > the discussion we're having. > > > > > > > It's related because such changes could impact all of the C libraries > > and compiler toolchains that you wish to port. So it's an example of a > > burden created by package archive growth. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2025/06/msg00048.html > > m68k with 4 bytes alignment works fine on NetBSD. > Please read the messages you reply to. The topic was a regression. > > It's also related because such an enhancement may involve an ABI break. > > That's why I mentioned threading a week ago. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2025/06/msg00018.html > > Which I don't care about because the current ABI is broken. > You should care! If you are going to get a new ABI, either you are going to do that work yourself or you'll have to collaborate with others who want certain characteristics from a new ABI. And here again, it appears that you never read the message you're replying to. (And here I am, making the spam problem worse by replying to it...)