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From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>, Jason Thorpe <thorpej@me.com>
Cc: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven	 <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Jean-Michel Hautbois <jeanmichel.hautbois@yoseli.org>,
	 port-m68k <port-m68k@netbsd.org>,
	debian-68k <debian-68k@lists.debian.org>,
	linux-m68k	 <linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 13:16:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55cd663c9c6e0470b3d9d3425d898beaef823738.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ldq38byn.fsf@igel.home>

On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 23:43 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> On Jun 07 2025, Jason Thorpe wrote:
> 
> > https://m680x0.github.io/ref/sysv-m68k-abi-part1.pdf
> 
> How is that relevant?

It's relevant because it's the official ABI and GCC suggests in it's
headers that it's SVR4-compliant on Linux.

Anyway, having this discussion isn't really leading anywhere. Let's
just agree that we disagree on what the canonical source for an ABI
specification is. You have explained your point of view and I can
understand your reasoning.

However, that doesn't help with the current situation which is that the
number of packages that fail to build from source on m68k on Linux is
increasing and it's becoming more difficult to maintain the port.

Both Debian and Gentoo want to address this problem by changing the default
alignment and both have already performed initial bootstraps with 32-bit
alignment which showed promising results.

The question now only remains what the preferred way of implementing this
change is. Since there are no other Linux distributions left that maintain
support on m68k, I think it's reasonable to expect that both Debian and Gentoo
get to have a word in this discussion, don't they?

Adrian

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-26 15:05 Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:16 ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:23   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:48     ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:25 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-05-26 18:50   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  6:24 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05  6:39   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  6:50     ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05  6:56       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  7:16         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-05  7:36           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  8:49             ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-05 10:33               ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-06  7:01                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-07  9:44                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-06 10:20             ` Finn Thain
2025-06-07  9:44               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07  9:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 10:02                   ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 11:11                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 12:55                       ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 13:57                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:53                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:50                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 14:38                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 14:54                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:03                         ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:19                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:20                             ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:23                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:37                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:51                                   ` John Klos
2025-06-07 16:55                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 18:43                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-07 21:43                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 23:06                       ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-10 11:16                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [this message]
2025-06-11  1:31                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08  1:10                 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08 11:47                   ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-10 11:20                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-10 11:18                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:32                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-10 11:26                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:46                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-11  3:04                     ` Stan Johnson
2025-06-11  7:44                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 15:32                         ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-11 15:49                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 14:54                             ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13  1:36                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 10:56                                 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 11:12                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  0:58                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:22                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:21                                 ` John Klos
2025-06-13 13:33                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 20:10                                 ` Debian boot/login time Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14  1:13                                 ` Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k Finn Thain
2025-06-12  1:54                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12  7:18                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 10:00                             ` Jason Thorpe
     [not found]                           ` <CABq5eXH8S9MVoRi5znU+u7EJPmaRA+8yOyd-QKBJMQa10UoAmw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-06-12  7:27                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12  8:19                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:15                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:06                                   ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12  8:25                               ` Administrator @ R·V·E
2025-06-12 13:06                                 ` Christian Groessler
2025-06-13 11:16                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:54                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 12:21                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 12:29                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 15:39                                         ` Preliminary results - was: " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-22 22:13                                           ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-23  6:34                                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-23  7:13                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 11:55                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:00                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:09                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:23                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:30                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:51                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:00                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:34                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15  9:26                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  6:48                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:01                             ` ALeX Kazik
2025-06-14  1:46                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 14:15                             ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 14:53                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 15:24                                 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-14  7:21                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  1:42                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15  8:13                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  9:30                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16  7:31                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  3:50                                             ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18  9:16                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  9:36                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18  9:49                                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  9:56                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 10:04                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 10:51                                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18 12:21                                                         ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 12:27                                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:54                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 12:57                                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:59                                                               ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 22:29                                                           ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19  0:18                                                             ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19  5:31                                                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19  5:56                                                                 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19 15:57                                                                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-18 22:17                                                 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16  6:33                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  7:39                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  8:00                                         ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  8:14                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  8:32                                             ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  8:45                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  9:07                                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:00                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:10                                                 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  9:15                                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:26                                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  9:32                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:45                                                         ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 10:07                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 10:51                                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:01                                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:05                                                       ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:10                                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16                                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16                                                           ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 14:44                                                       ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 14:43                                                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 15:17                                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  3:19                                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18  9:15                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 22:16                                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 19:29                                 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14  7:51                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 10:39                                     ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14 11:20                                       ` John Klos
2025-06-15  8:05                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  9:32                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  6:42                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:29                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 16:26                   ` David Brownlee
2025-06-16  6:39                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

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