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From: Eero Tamminen <oak@helsinkinet.fi>
To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>,
	Jean-Michel Hautbois <jeanmichel.hautbois@yoseli.org>,
	port-m68k <port-m68k@netbsd.org>,
	debian-68k <debian-68k@lists.debian.org>,
	linux-m68k <linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 17:15:16 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569d73fb-8ad5-46f0-bf4c-568919f319e7@helsinkinet.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ddef536e0645c9d7cebfd829837af653da50afaa.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de>

Hi,

On 13.6.2025 15.51, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-06-13 at 14:30 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> So you change the default alignment, bump all so-versions in userspace,
>> but keep the kernel-userspace ABI the same by adding explicit alignment
>> tags where needed? Old binaries keep on working, new binaries join
>> the ecosystem of anything that still builds on 32-bit big-endian ;-)
> 
> I think you're still missing the part that I'm not maintaining my own Linux
> distribution meaning that I cannot bump SO versions or making any substantial
> changes to the distributions.>
> And I'm not sure why being able to run old binaries on a retro-computing architecture
> is is so important for some people that they think it justifies making my life
> miserable.

Wouldn't next upgrade completely break user's Debian system so it needs 
complete re-install?

If true, would separate m68k arch for 4-byte alignment be out of 
question, similarly how there have been different ARM arch variants?


	- Eero

PS. I was peripherally involved in the ARM VFP thing, in a Debian 
derivative that switched to use VFP before Debian did. So I know a bit 
how big thing such transition is, even with the Debian cross-compiling & 
boot-strapping support being much better now...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-13 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-26 15:05 Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:16 ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:23   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:48     ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:25 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-05-26 18:50   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  6:24 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05  6:39   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  6:50     ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05  6:56       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  7:16         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-05  7:36           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05  8:49             ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-05 10:33               ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-06  7:01                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-07  9:44                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-06 10:20             ` Finn Thain
2025-06-07  9:44               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07  9:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 10:02                   ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 11:11                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 12:55                       ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 13:57                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:53                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:50                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 14:38                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 14:54                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:03                         ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:19                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:20                             ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:23                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:37                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:51                                   ` John Klos
2025-06-07 16:55                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 18:43                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-07 21:43                     ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 23:06                       ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-10 11:16                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:31                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08  1:10                 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08 11:47                   ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-10 11:20                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-10 11:18                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:32                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-10 11:26                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11  1:46                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-11  3:04                     ` Stan Johnson
2025-06-11  7:44                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 15:32                         ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-11 15:49                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 14:54                             ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13  1:36                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 10:56                                 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 11:12                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  0:58                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:22                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:21                                 ` John Klos
2025-06-13 13:33                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 20:10                                 ` Debian boot/login time Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14  1:13                                 ` Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k Finn Thain
2025-06-12  1:54                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12  7:18                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 10:00                             ` Jason Thorpe
     [not found]                           ` <CABq5eXH8S9MVoRi5znU+u7EJPmaRA+8yOyd-QKBJMQa10UoAmw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-06-12  7:27                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12  8:19                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:15                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:06                                   ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12  8:25                               ` Administrator @ R·V·E
2025-06-12 13:06                                 ` Christian Groessler
2025-06-13 11:16                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:54                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 12:21                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 12:29                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 15:39                                         ` Preliminary results - was: " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-22 22:13                                           ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-23  6:34                                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-23  7:13                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 11:55                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:00                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:09                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:23                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:30                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:51                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:00                             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:34                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15  9:26                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  6:48                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:01                             ` ALeX Kazik
2025-06-14  1:46                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 14:15                             ` Eero Tamminen [this message]
2025-06-13 14:53                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 15:24                                 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-14  7:21                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  1:42                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15  8:13                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  9:30                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16  7:31                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  3:50                                             ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18  9:16                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  9:36                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18  9:49                                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  9:56                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 10:04                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 10:51                                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18 12:21                                                         ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 12:27                                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:54                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 12:57                                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:59                                                               ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 22:29                                                           ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19  0:18                                                             ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19  5:31                                                               ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19  5:56                                                                 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19 15:57                                                                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-18 22:17                                                 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16  6:33                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  7:39                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  8:00                                         ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  8:14                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  8:32                                             ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  8:45                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  9:07                                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:00                                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:10                                                 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  9:15                                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:26                                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16  9:32                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16  9:45                                                         ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 10:07                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 10:51                                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:01                                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:05                                                       ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:10                                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16                                                           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16                                                           ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 14:44                                                       ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 14:43                                                   ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 15:17                                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18  3:19                                                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18  9:15                                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 22:16                                                         ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 19:29                                 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14  7:51                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 10:39                                     ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14 11:20                                       ` John Klos
2025-06-15  8:05                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15  9:32                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16  6:42                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14  1:29                     ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 16:26                   ` David Brownlee
2025-06-16  6:39                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

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