From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E44BD18562F for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=130.133.4.66 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731502317; cv=none; b=FhHNhN98STebsx1H1U0+37eYDn0ar3bL+H2Lsgur+AiQX0ESPoddFnMrBSxtlsBSO8nRH1iVkKhZcDCP32DEnT9irYhdACYvBxCIuLD9JjzWmwDutD3/1+M3SrpN2DkHe610m7FNCQXd8S3L2ci90PEOdBCWjxaBPW70lFkYJQQ= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731502317; c=relaxed/simple; bh=97MyUyGDKI4IJq+iws7d3XKuc1CTqlrlMV4dYqtsUes=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=qWwQ1gBihCqTUghclqeEaVgKWtdELlk9KbbQd8/g8AX+OlDvZKGPpUzqZvUlCtGmi/J/wK5RuewmpKiKYVlWF1FQvkhHGrTHzAk8OcB5huxjg1mJWNJPUTqjSXKmQCNJIMCnAeywD9eYjYQERzy3Y9/KyAFTR1j3fGX+TWCFUTI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=physik.fu-berlin.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zedat.fu-berlin.de; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fu-berlin.de header.i=@fu-berlin.de header.b=cBYLVTeT; arc=none smtp.client-ip=130.133.4.66 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=physik.fu-berlin.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zedat.fu-berlin.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fu-berlin.de header.i=@fu-berlin.de header.b="cBYLVTeT" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fu-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:References:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=asxA2lC8UTet6bSp5Y/rucFZ+3H1Yupvye+Jq5aMk48=; t=1731502315; x=1732107115; b=cBYLVTeT7mgd9aJcDNHx0rwxgaL4xmJ6/s/QreDpmDSDXUXzetQevNLLwrlcJQE0OAgU+UxXPS0 MOdoMDBml7ysYmGy4uLrLH0H7V91wb20T7frWcNJa9crt5pPDnWEX/4f+lXBLY6KpAYqOMKk9aYCR EODy1mL+CK/hYI9XZHeQ5Ubv3bqUDk/DsBtDsLjTsPRZzV3UKeuBYT1CGTQY8hEWxarZn0PJ+Y1Gk V8HRX+rUtPQ/TIT3teQb74D/K4X3BVHFJciNCtpTvoT6fHz6eFwhraIbkVfYxfyCpn/cIVt55h4Ss Aa5puSgd9MgvlCvK5piUsBbnJhYoURXiItwg==; Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.98) with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tBCqe-00000003YAy-43Lb; Wed, 13 Nov 2024 13:51:52 +0100 Received: from p57bd904e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.189.144.78] helo=[192.168.178.61]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.98) with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tBCqe-00000000BC0-2z1M; Wed, 13 Nov 2024 13:51:52 +0100 Message-ID: <5c964099caf2798c64d9b8219df8237a02e497cd.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Plan needed for switching m68k to 32-bit alignment From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz To: Finn Thain Cc: Thorsten Glaser , Arnd Bergmann , linux-m68k , debian-68k , James Le Cuirot , Sam James , Geert Uytterhoeven , Andreas Schwab Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2024 13:51:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <3a5e171bf42e5273eb8235cba04e8328b19c2ca4.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <5e8917a2-b7c4-6c06-e63f-1f05eea32120@mirbsd.de> <0c34ba23-5256-0140-59b1-6a5283f6b763@debian.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.1 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de X-ZEDAT-Hint: PO On Mon, 2024-10-28 at 19:44 +1100, Finn Thain wrote: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >=20 > > > For Debian, we have superh and i386, out of these. It is entirely=20 > > > possible that Qt et al. can work with this, but these all have natura= l=20 > > > alignment for quantities =E2=89=A4 32 bits. > >=20 > > I'm not aware of any serious issues with alignment on i386. > >=20 > > i386 was the original target for 90% of the software in Debian, so if= =20 > > there are issues, developers have already addressed them. > >=20 >=20 > And they did so without needing a new ABI... Because on i386, the original ABI designers didn't make the mistake to enfo= rce an unnatural alignment. Honestly, what exactly do you expect to achieve with messages like this? If you want me to just drop the port, then just say it. Adrian --=20 .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913