From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83845C4167B for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232578AbjKAU2U (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Nov 2023 16:28:20 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:33600 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234388AbjKAU2T (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Nov 2023 16:28:19 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88B85119 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1698870451; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=sUlB9Zey7+viE7qsX1uDxY/6yuVcf/6ZYKLf2CdDwkY=; b=AbCfsTV/RSWgm4eRTOiJNi+CTlT4hCom+pPymIOmoq+m+ujdgdb6ANNrtd+OVWpg1FjcFD nbo6yFs+6D5qaixQjYkKu6/5fnu3dO2aJbFHTTrFMZmFgvoJoGEIcNgjloEl28VicOCV6S 9et5uucps/Gq/nH0/iPXjQc1ovoDM90= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-160-Kxn8zXZFNUS2IdSCga1DSw-1; Wed, 01 Nov 2023 16:27:30 -0400 X-MC-Unique: Kxn8zXZFNUS2IdSCga1DSw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBFBD101A53B; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [10.22.48.12]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F821121308; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 20:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <79b7f88e3dd6536fe69c63ed3b4cc1f2c551ce8d.camel@redhat.com> Subject: Re: Does anyone use Appletalk? From: Dan Williams To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: linux-m68k , Arnd Bergmann , Jakub Kicinski , netdev Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2023 15:27:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5e3e52a48ba9cc0109a98cf4c5371c3f80c4b4cc.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <594446aaf91b282ff3cbd95953576ffd29f38dab.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <5e3e52a48ba9cc0109a98cf4c5371c3f80c4b4cc.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 (3.46.4-1.fc37) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.4.1 on 10.11.54.3 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:26 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hi Geert, >=20 > On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:19 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > Isn't that a bit late? > >=20 > > It can always be reverted... >=20 > Sure, but I'd rather see such discussions before merging the removal > patch. Best would have been to reach out to the netatalk project, for > example and ask [1]. They just released version 3.1.18 of the > netatalk > server in October 2023. >=20 > It's an incredibly cool project because it allows you to replace the > expensive Apple TimeMachine hardware with a cheap Raspberry Pi ;-). But... Time Machine debuted with 10.5 and AppleTalk got removed in 10.6; did the actual TimeCapsules ever support AppleTalk, or were they always TCP/IP-based? (also TimeMachine-capable Airport Extremes [A1354] are like $15 on eBay; that's cheaper than a Raspberry Pi) This patch only removes the Linux-side ipddp driver (eg MacIP) so if Time Capsules never supported AppleTalk, this patch is unrelated to TimeMachine. What this patch *may* break is Linux as a MacIP gateway, allowing AppleTalk-only machines to talk TCP/IP to systems. But that's like what, the 128/512/Plus and PowerBook Duo/1xx? Everything else had a PDS/NuBus slot or onboard Ethernet and could do native MacTCP/OpenTransport... Dan