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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>,
	 Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
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	 Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 2/5] bpf: Explicitly align bpf_res_spin_lock
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2025 09:12:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQL9PRCVEJBJ++TCRBWqshQLn7dz0SiJ6KWDYPeWLSK22w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b9ab4c28-52c8-4fa7-85cb-109ef4c0d7f4@app.fastmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 9:02 AM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, at 17:17, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 12:02 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 07:10:13PM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> >>
> >> > Are you saying 'int' on m68k is not 4 byte aligned by default,
> >> > so you have to force 4 byte align?
> >>
> >> This; m68k has u16 alignment, just to keep life interesting I suppose
> >> :-)
> >
> > It's not "interesting". It adds burden to the rest of the kernel
> > for this architectural quirk.
> > Linus put the foot down for big-endian on arm64 and riscv.
> > We should do the same here.
> > x86 uses -mcmodel=kernel for 64-bit and -mregparm=3 for 32-bit.
> > m68k can do the same.
> > They can adjust the compiler to make 'int' 4 byte aligned under some
> > compiler flag. The kernel is built standalone, so it doesn't have
> > to conform to native calling convention or anything else.
>
> I agree that building the kernel with -malign-int makes a lot
> of sense here, there is even a project to rebuild the entire
> user space with the same flag.
>
> However, changing either the kernel or userspace to build with
> -malign-int also has its cost, since for ABI compatibility
> reasons any include/uapi/*/*.h header that defines a structure
> with a misaligned word needs a custom annotation in order to
> still define the layout to be the same as before, and the
> annotations do complicate the common headers.
>
> See
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/534e8ff8-70cb-4b78-b0b4-f88645bd180a@app.fastmail.com/
> for a list of structures that likely need to be annotated,
> and the thread around it for more of the nasty details that
> make this nontrivial.

I see. So this is a lesser evil.

Acked-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>

for the patch then.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-09 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-07 22:19 [RFC v3 0/5] Align atomic storage Finn Thain
2025-10-07 22:19 ` [RFC v3 3/5] atomic: Specify alignment for atomic_t and atomic64_t Finn Thain
2025-10-07 22:19 ` [RFC v3 5/5] atomic: Add option for weaker alignment check Finn Thain
2025-10-07 22:19 ` [RFC v3 2/5] bpf: Explicitly align bpf_res_spin_lock Finn Thain
2025-10-09  2:10   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-09  2:56     ` Finn Thain
2025-10-09  7:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-09 15:17       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-09 16:01         ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-09 16:12           ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-10-07 22:19 ` [RFC v3 1/5] documentation: Discourage alignment assumptions Finn Thain
2025-10-14 10:23   ` David Laight
2025-10-15  7:40     ` Finn Thain
2025-10-15 13:53       ` David Laight
2025-10-16  6:53         ` Finn Thain
2025-10-16 13:30   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-16 22:14     ` Finn Thain
2025-10-07 22:19 ` [RFC v3 4/5] atomic: Add alignment check to instrumented atomic operations Finn Thain

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