From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
To: John Klos <john@klos.com>
Cc: port-m68k <port-m68k@netbsd.org>,
debian-68k <debian-68k@lists.debian.org>,
linux-m68k <linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 15:33:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a33a70a1e8b90936dbe5ea43c81810ab75a9e94a.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d6a5e25c-70bc-a7a2-1512-c7059c092f72@daisy.zia.io>
Hi John,
On Fri, 2025-06-13 at 13:21 +0000, John Klos wrote:
> > You're not offering help. You, like Finn as well, are trying to block fixing
> > a long-standing problem of Linux/m68k without offering any sustainable alternatives
> > to fix this problem.
>
> I didn't see anywhere that Eero was blocking or hinting at blocking. I
> only saw Eero offering to collect data, which I think is a good idea.
>
> It might not be directly relevant to the issue at hand, but we shouldn't
> say no to more information that might inform these changes, either for
> better or for worse.
I'm not saying that any criticism is wrong per se. I just want anyone in this
thread to understand that suggestions like bumping all SO versions or rolling
your own version of Debian is not helping the cause and Eero has made such
suggestions.
Some people seem to have the impression that I maintain the source code over all
the packages being built on Debian/m68k. I don't. I am building what's available
in Debian unstable and I want to be able to build as many of these packages without
having to patch them.
While patching packages is possible in general, most upstream and Debian maintainers
don't really want to deal with patches that enable the build on 2 bytes alignment
meaning that I have to keep building the affected packages in question manually
forever which I really don't want to.
Switching the default alignment will fix a plethora of broken packages and while it
may come with some regressions here and there, I am very confident it's the right
way to go.
The Gentoo developers are pursuing this path as well meaning that there won't be
any distributions with 2 bytes alignment left.
Adrian
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Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-26 15:05 Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:16 ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:23 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-05-26 18:48 ` Jeffrey Walton
2025-05-26 18:25 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-05-26 18:50 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05 6:24 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05 6:39 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05 6:50 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2025-06-05 6:56 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05 7:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-05 7:36 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-05 8:49 ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-05 10:33 ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-06 7:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-07 9:44 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-06 10:20 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-07 9:44 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 9:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 10:02 ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 11:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 12:55 ` Anders Magnusson
2025-06-07 13:57 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:53 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 13:50 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 14:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 14:54 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:19 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:23 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-07 15:37 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 15:51 ` John Klos
2025-06-07 16:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 18:43 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-07 21:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2025-06-07 23:06 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-10 11:16 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 1:31 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08 1:10 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-08 11:47 ` Martin Husemann
2025-06-10 11:20 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-10 11:18 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 1:32 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-10 11:26 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 1:46 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-11 3:04 ` Stan Johnson
2025-06-11 7:44 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-11 15:32 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-11 15:49 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 14:54 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 1:36 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 10:56 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 11:12 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 0:58 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:22 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:21 ` John Klos
2025-06-13 13:33 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [this message]
2025-06-13 20:10 ` Debian boot/login time Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14 1:13 ` Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k Finn Thain
2025-06-12 1:54 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12 7:18 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 10:00 ` Jason Thorpe
[not found] ` <CABq5eXH8S9MVoRi5znU+u7EJPmaRA+8yOyd-QKBJMQa10UoAmw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-06-12 7:27 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-12 8:19 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 11:15 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 1:06 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-12 8:25 ` Administrator @ R·V·E
2025-06-12 13:06 ` Christian Groessler
2025-06-13 11:16 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 12:21 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 12:29 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 15:39 ` Preliminary results - was: " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-22 22:13 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-23 6:34 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-23 7:13 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 11:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:00 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:09 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:23 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 12:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-13 12:51 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:00 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 1:34 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15 9:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 6:48 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 13:01 ` ALeX Kazik
2025-06-14 1:46 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 14:15 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-13 14:53 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-13 15:24 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-14 7:21 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15 1:42 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-15 8:13 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15 9:30 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16 7:31 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 3:50 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18 9:16 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 9:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 9:49 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 9:56 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 10:04 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 10:51 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18 12:21 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 12:27 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-18 12:57 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 12:59 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-18 22:29 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19 0:18 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19 5:31 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-19 5:56 ` Greg Ungerer
2025-06-19 15:57 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-18 22:17 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-16 6:33 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 7:39 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 8:00 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 8:14 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 8:32 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 8:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 9:07 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 9:00 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 9:10 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 9:15 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 9:26 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 9:32 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 9:45 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 10:07 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 10:51 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:01 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:05 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 11:10 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-16 11:16 ` Laurent Vivier
2025-06-16 14:44 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 14:43 ` Jason Thorpe
2025-06-16 15:17 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 3:19 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-18 9:15 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-18 22:16 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 19:29 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14 7:51 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 10:39 ` Eero Tamminen
2025-06-14 11:20 ` John Klos
2025-06-15 8:05 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-15 9:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-06-16 6:42 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-06-14 1:29 ` Finn Thain
2025-06-13 16:26 ` David Brownlee
2025-06-16 6:39 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
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