From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E43D111BF for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2025 13:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=130.133.4.66 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1749821601; cv=none; b=pwvXHUa9xLYZisL8mV2BVY9eRGbhae1kumdCipRdWXSTVwDiER2/fKpyYFItvUDfWHDyjAw2laO/ynniDjLc7pZlkeWUqViC4WqXsYhrT02J9HgKDvOINfNzGEohTdQsWMrUhXeDaomG1CQ4sA0axhG8jr9okLiVDAxu666WLnI= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1749821601; c=relaxed/simple; bh=+oI3lZsZLPtpX43d4Sy/VcNg1WVzfOs1BQiUk/LyPa8=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=cwHJ4LsTamV8/SCQUTDTXbzuBvf1M6Aej6FLZzRsFt6F5mIEBOFFa4FtMXpnR59piGJgcfMdsuwrZZJurOeMawhvXLbkZfFDoBCrD+eEkT71r+tVNmm/LbeLBmiQz1N8309Y3Us5ezgOUvZ1ySI0I0r/M7MiZZxuf8tmN3WF5oc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=physik.fu-berlin.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zedat.fu-berlin.de; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fu-berlin.de header.i=@fu-berlin.de header.b=HTv9ZInY; arc=none smtp.client-ip=130.133.4.66 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=physik.fu-berlin.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=zedat.fu-berlin.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fu-berlin.de header.i=@fu-berlin.de header.b="HTv9ZInY" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fu-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:References:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EEO+BVIQu4Prug77mVWW612v4qYH22537W0/ULMqpas=; t=1749821598; x=1750426398; b=HTv9ZInY5M/6feENvDCOVoZHoLxE/xD9JYaVSArtVq1/ynQ0eY2X6L5V1H0DCY9Zs9BxzAMJuPY XqxkI2SEbDgpfFVw4A0EZtIgWco4xhHKvL++VYrB8hd6npfMc9wyPtnlKRgJGeSyi8rr1H3vTNwVg xgbBYeJcAbiYRuZREzCDL6AgTZIgxeue908OXodB8aRe3WLwr7ousbBIPFQr0OExLtGgS2ZXNdtmY AI1rS6YRvs7oYCV0pNYm7KG2pA/h2ZV1E4zZMhcvQN1WNidD3hQGx5yc9fiDO8NVZhfGU21Guo2sa bCCeKNwDDUKxcazvtvAgzoOrmwOmoG8sOZKw==; Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.98) with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1uQ4Wx-00000001ORQ-3eCD; Fri, 13 Jun 2025 15:33:15 +0200 Received: from p57bd96d0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.189.150.208] helo=[192.168.178.61]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.98) with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1uQ4Wx-00000002Di6-2kRP; Fri, 13 Jun 2025 15:33:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question on BIGGEST_ALIGNMENT in GCC on NetBSD/m68k From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz To: John Klos Cc: port-m68k , debian-68k , linux-m68k Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 15:33:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <442267d5-241e-44a5-9b54-fee06bc5c03b@yoseli.org> <9013836044f8bfb7f0cd62ba536f6a1c75034465.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <80f5c684-638b-4486-9026-1f8689a7f147@yoseli.org> <95e56d983ace4976143c7e1180ffe5606c0ee3fe.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <758f14d8-6d03-2aab-468b-170b0bbb7d2a@linux-m68k.org> <8e0186f61cc9bbed2373ae215e80ab7e70042793.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <48ebcafa-467d-05a4-17f6-7cc078596d88@linux-m68k.org> <48af5d8ed5b1546cb3db3b2c2314b1e41de38aad.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <0d7b5c87-f0f7-70a4-cf75-5147e67904da@yahoo.com> <131b33a26efd2b0e21dfee784821dcaf3aeddad4.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <6a50c81a-cb0c-4529-959a-fad5260261fc@helsinkinet.fi> <243529d0-daac-48b9-b482-04e3ed2f66f0@helsinkinet.fi> <6c9b49aaab26bd7fda7a95e7e0c5392b26abbcb4.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.56.2 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de X-ZEDAT-Hint: PO Hi John, On Fri, 2025-06-13 at 13:21 +0000, John Klos wrote: > > You're not offering help. You, like Finn as well, are trying to block f= ixing > > a long-standing problem of Linux/m68k without offering any sustainable = alternatives > > to fix this problem. >=20 > I didn't see anywhere that Eero was blocking or hinting at blocking. I= =20 > only saw Eero offering to collect data, which I think is a good idea. >=20 > It might not be directly relevant to the issue at hand, but we shouldn't= =20 > say no to more information that might inform these changes, either for= =20 > better or for worse. I'm not saying that any criticism is wrong per se. I just want anyone in th= is thread to understand that suggestions like bumping all SO versions or rolli= ng your own version of Debian is not helping the cause and Eero has made such suggestions. Some people seem to have the impression that I maintain the source code ove= r all the packages being built on Debian/m68k. I don't. I am building what's avai= lable in Debian unstable and I want to be able to build as many of these packages= without having to patch them. While patching packages is possible in general, most upstream and Debian ma= intainers don't really want to deal with patches that enable the build on 2 bytes ali= gnment meaning that I have to keep building the affected packages in question manu= ally forever which I really don't want to. Switching the default alignment will fix a plethora of broken packages and = while it may come with some regressions here and there, I am very confident it's the= right way to go. The Gentoo developers are pursuing this path as well meaning that there won= 't be any distributions with 2 bytes alignment left. Adrian --=20 .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913