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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/12] mm/huge_memory: zap deposited page tables after an RCU grace period
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 15:12:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apbcoMTVlL42G5tg@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apbOlyF77yDCV4cF@thinkstation>

On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 02:19:36PM +0100, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 12:01:21PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > When an anonymous mapping is collapsed for THP, a PTE page table is
> > 'deposited' with the installed PMD entry.
> >
> > This is done in order that a split can be performed without needing to
> > allocate additional memory.
> >
> > The freeing occurs in zap_deposited_table() and is done directly without
> > any delay via pte_free().
> >
> > This is currently not a problem as existing page table walks are protected
> > by the mmap or anon rmap lock.
> >
> > However this becomes problematic in a future where RCU-only page table
> > walkers exist, as there is nothing to prevent a page table walker that
> > started the walk prior to collapse having its PTE table freed underneath
> > it.
> >
> > Commit 13cf577e6b66 ("mm/pgtable: add pte_free_defer() for pgtable as
> > page") already provides us the mechanism by which to solve this -
> > pte_free_defer().
> >
> > Therefore, as a prerequisite to a future commit which will permit fully RCU
> > page table walks, update zap_deposited_table() to use pte_free_defer()
> > rather than pte_free().
> >
> > Note that the IPI sync in collapse_huge_page() is still required to ensure
> > refcount correctness against a GUP-fast operation.
> >
> > This is because GUP-fast might increment refcount, but
> > __collapse_huge_page_isolate() determines whether it is safe to proceed by
> > checking folio_ref_count() against folio_expected_ref_count(), so the two
> > must be mutually excluded.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org>
> > ---
> >  mm/huge_memory.c | 2 +-
> >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/huge_memory.c b/mm/huge_memory.c
> > index 54494c3fa983..505f7b62ff28 100644
> > --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
> > +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
> > @@ -2476,7 +2476,7 @@ static inline void zap_deposited_table(struct mm_struct *mm, pmd_t *pmd)
> >  	pgtable_t pgtable;
> >
> >  	pgtable = pgtable_trans_huge_withdraw(mm, pmd);
> > -	pte_free(mm, pgtable);
> > +	pte_free_defer(mm, pgtable);
>
> Hm. So it is call_rcu() on each PMD. It might be costly, especially for
> zap_huge_pmd() path: 512 call_rcu() per-GB of unmapped THPs.
>
> Do we want leverage mmu_gather if caller has it?

I mean, I'm not sure in which respect that'd be costly, 512 is not a big number
to a computer, and repeated call_rcu() invocations should just queue more
operations no?

It won't be costly at the time of the calls obviously as its deferred. Maybe
increase some time spent in softirq but again is 512x that big of a deal?

I'm not sure how you'd both defer the free and somehow utilise mmu_gather here
either really, certainly not without it becoming extremely messy.

But yeah I'd want to see hard data on that before I really believe that's a
problem :)

>
> >  	mm_dec_nr_ptes(mm);
> >  }
> >
> >
> > --
> > 2.55.0
> >
>
> --
>   Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-01 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-01 11:01 [PATCH 00/12] mm: make userland page table freeing RCU-safe Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 01/12] mm/huge_memory: zap deposited page tables after an RCU grace period Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 13:19   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 14:12     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-01 14:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-01 14:41         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 15:28           ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 15:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 17:11               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 17:14                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 15:54             ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-09-01 16:06               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-01 17:13               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 17:47                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for most 2-level architectures Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for MMU riscv Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for MMU arm Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for arc, microblaze, xtensa Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for sparc64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 07/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for m68k-coldfire Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for sh-X2 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for m68k-motorola Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm: enable MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE for sparc32 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm: make userland page table freeing RCU-safe Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 13:33   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 14:03     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 11:01 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm: change the contract for free_pgtables(), update docs Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 13:57   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 14:31     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-01 17:15       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-01 17:25         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)

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