From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B65C4332F for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 22:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S235073AbjKAW3p (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Nov 2023 18:29:45 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:43756 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S235031AbjKAW3p (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Nov 2023 18:29:45 -0400 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CCF1134 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9B75C0370; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 18:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap51 ([10.202.2.101]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 01 Nov 2023 18:29:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=arndb.de; h=cc :cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1698877773; x=1698964173; bh=VA tk4joSxz95XQTbl0nvff9mxXDCg9NALjFyJozqkec=; b=a4yNYvZISKlK3Amda/ JPyGswNeuBXYtiQeztFVZd74cgPovoeeNT/A8r53zkhcu9w4LkMmzjDF1s+dF2Hy Z97YowrY8ZzygjDUtbgZnluWH6p8ceHfm0iZhol3kCq1WlBlAd2NO+6Z9rvg0jZP fSmF1hnufv+/sk+raaZubFg00AjJNyvw8UN6DGBkT3PXb0RXJmtHOLLra/GdA0pP M4AmjwMFRZbqbME/82dV+cU14uEdBUaGPcpeEUNlUki26pS4/7FlMJa3q3PiNnDX 0/X30SZCtgT1jJ873ffVXt78dH7hZJ/79j9LKDjiQ7G6seo/fq4lNycNt6HwMhRs InAw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1698877773; x=1698964173; bh=VAtk4joSxz95X QTbl0nvff9mxXDCg9NALjFyJozqkec=; b=nNgZQUqCJqcdBgOzSnniO7Mhq1FNG CxphAGqGqt6U1rrNjWp5Lj5T9/1OjgFkNWqH5bVpQdUcDPM7b8sv9qQTWAd0Wpo8 1KQvukPHQG1xneggzdskFKOcY35GTLJw3hvvz4Qt6o7hqFc+xPJryDd/nPGWBNSD xjuqWSTDLwex62EUbuxPoFhD4/vm6NfFjyuhzizbsp3Be+T6+FsQ9AyKD9oX+Gi9 O6aFbScl0m3ga16kbN+27XyfcMYD0Fgw+s4IWumc3eXOI7skKAf2SZZ3XL4p+7al uS3eMImxFwB6iGDmEpnN45iwEoC5VVdUERRO56Vri03dCIAbzLakQzTjw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedruddtgedgudeitdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvvefutgesthdtredtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdet rhhnugcuuegvrhhgmhgrnhhnfdcuoegrrhhnugesrghrnhgusgdruggvqeenucggtffrrg htthgvrhhnpeejvddvvdduleduheejiedtheehiedvjefgleelffeigfevhffhueduhfeg feefheenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivg eptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghrnhgusegrrhhnuggsrdguvg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i56a14606:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id BCA86B60089; Wed, 1 Nov 2023 18:29:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-1108-g3a29173c6d-fm-20231031.005-g3a29173c MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <79b7f88e3dd6536fe69c63ed3b4cc1f2c551ce8d.camel@redhat.com> References: <594446aaf91b282ff3cbd95953576ffd29f38dab.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <5e3e52a48ba9cc0109a98cf4c5371c3f80c4b4cc.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <79b7f88e3dd6536fe69c63ed3b4cc1f2c551ce8d.camel@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2023 23:29:12 +0100 From: "Arnd Bergmann" To: "Dan Williams" , "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" , "Geert Uytterhoeven" Cc: linux-m68k , "Jakub Kicinski" , Netdev Subject: Re: Does anyone use Appletalk? Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 21:27, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:26 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> Hi Geert, >> >> On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:19 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >> > > Isn't that a bit late? >> > >> > It can always be reverted... >> >> Sure, but I'd rather see such discussions before merging the removal >> patch. Best would have been to reach out to the netatalk project, for >> example and ask [1]. They just released version 3.1.18 of the >> netatalk >> server in October 2023. I think you mean netatalk 2.2 for appletalk support, as the 3.x versions only implement AFP over IP, with no localtalk/appletalk support. >> It's an incredibly cool project because it allows you to replace the >> expensive Apple TimeMachine hardware with a cheap Raspberry Pi ;-). > > But... Time Machine debuted with 10.5 and AppleTalk got removed in > 10.6; did the actual TimeCapsules ever support AppleTalk, or were they > always TCP/IP-based? > > (also TimeMachine-capable Airport Extremes [A1354] are like $15 on > eBay; that's cheaper than a Raspberry Pi) > > This patch only removes the Linux-side ipddp driver (eg MacIP) so if > Time Capsules never supported AppleTalk, this patch is unrelated to > TimeMachine. If we had not removed all localtalk support already, ipddp might have been used to bridge between a pre-ethernet mac running macip and an IP based AFP server (netatalk or time machine). Without localtalk support, that is not all that interesting of course. > What this patch *may* break is Linux as a MacIP gateway, allowing > AppleTalk-only machines to talk TCP/IP to systems. But that's like > what, the 128/512/Plus and PowerBook Duo/1xx? Everything else had a > PDS/NuBus slot or onboard Ethernet and could do native > MacTCP/OpenTransport... As far as I can tell, https://github.com/jasonking3/macipgw should work fine as a replacement for ipddp. Arnd