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Tue, 20 May 2025 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 10:14:37 +1000 (AEST) From: Finn Thain To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz cc: Florian Weimer , James Le Cuirot , debian-68k , linux-m68k , Libc-help Subject: Re: Tuple and changes for m68k with -malign-int In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <08ce465732a0eb0dce550978c98ef822abba5f96.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <8734d1kofn.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <3388daa5-8129-e78d-d4bc-d7696cd3a30f@linux-m68k.org> <1ceb208498c53cf8db2acf746a4649f1eaea1457.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <7722ac8e-4df4-2c91-1b88-c0ef59c57e89@linux-m68k.org> <48411baea4164252cba5635b09325c8acf29f3bc.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <23cce228-e58c-9c5d-74c7-49b0c77c35b7@linux-m68k.org> <0f7345713d232c46f241e3b0a9303f76adebbde1.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <64b646df-509b-579a-34d4-aa947774aaf7@linux-m68k.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 20 May 2025, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Tue, 2025-05-20 at 21:03 +1000, Finn Thain wrote: > > Yes, and then you declined to send your patch upstream, and a Debian > > developer picked up my patch instead. > > > > When I worked on this, I discovered that your patch was inadequate, > > that the problem was not the m68k ABI, and that you threw away a good > > opportunity to improve the upstream project. > > And, did your patch get merged upstream yet? > > https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/127546 > > It's still open which proves my point. And that's just one of many > projects that are affected by the alignment issue as you can see from my > list. > You've never reviewed the patch. What is wrong with it? > > > > I know they were ported to a variety of ABIs with a variety of alignment > > > > rules, that do not guarantee natural alignment of integer types. > > > > > > I see. Since you haven't tested it, it means the bug doesn't exist. > > > > No it means I never had a need for those languages on m68k. Does a bug > > exist if no-one executes it? How many actual users are there for the > > Debian/m68k JVM, besides Debian porters? > > How many actual users in production exist on Debian/m68k except hobbyists? > > You're using an argument that works for both sides. > No, my argument was that you have failed to identify those packages that actually need porting. > > > > > > Gotcha. > > > > > > > I assumed the bug may exist, but when I asked about it, you evaded the > > question. > > I have created a wiki page for this exact matter: > > https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Alignment > All you have said is that upstream codebases refuse to improve their code and that's why an ABI break is needed. This makes no sense at all.