From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D383C001B0 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230366AbjHMW17 (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:27:59 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34834 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230292AbjHMW17 (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:27:59 -0400 Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [139.178.84.217]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38D5B18F for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C67E561BC8 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A633C433C7; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:27:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1691965677; bh=kZNnNtUCL0UzpuUVhuu7ohyMt/64MWfRWuM9poMddmU=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=ipezEDemEDk3z5DpZ2zIuEF3D6rVZcqIE841DwHkuN6ByUteUbc3oyt24lgYCGTTu xlUWQ2H9eEpLOugVQVzw6DtwcIGHJv2VbUsq5VDGEMWz0zGGbW+n/IDL7M3yB1B8E+ 8ztv0c6wX73YsKEHDnsvfWHHHfTgUNr151cZJlvrS8Dld+5JDRYH/7SXGPCVMNv2M/ 3HHRvqqHKkusXsKttEm6Stb7IwmTCQIu1eSkOeBBGn5LCByMCpQ5FCULL0l7zxXWFm Y2ttqaRhRkI2Y/ogGwIOkEVLBFdXw0v16L0YEpf5z8EugC3Ijx5hmgvwqx6aIL1+Af MPqtc3Qf5pXFg== Message-ID: <033cf8fb-5c84-d9eb-a01e-caff597a951b@kernel.org> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:27:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.1 Subject: Re: [PATCH] man-pages-posix-2017/man1p/dd.1p: added missing ASCII-EBCDIC tables Content-Language: en-US To: "G. Branden Robinson" , Eric Blake Cc: Brian Inglis , Linux Man-Pages References: <084cb8c0074b11327c68fb60b9c5c6238eed7df1.1691960082.git.Brian.Inglis@Shaw.ca> <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> From: Alejandro Colomar Organization: Linux In-Reply-To: <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------uN0E0LM01ksxLsg1gcyGTM7K" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------uN0E0LM01ksxLsg1gcyGTM7K Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Si8Eaw9UYvRLNohADpZioaMl"; protected-headers="v1" From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" , Eric Blake Cc: Brian Inglis , Linux Man-Pages Message-ID: <033cf8fb-5c84-d9eb-a01e-caff597a951b@kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH] man-pages-posix-2017/man1p/dd.1p: added missing ASCII-EBCDIC tables References: <084cb8c0074b11327c68fb60b9c5c6238eed7df1.1691960082.git.Brian.Inglis@Shaw.ca> <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> In-Reply-To: <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> --------------Si8Eaw9UYvRLNohADpZioaMl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [+=3D Eric] Hi Branden, Eric, On 2023-08-14 00:20, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2023-08-13T23:30:30+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >> And also, I don't even have the sources, which makes things more >> complex. >> >> I wish that POSIX allowed us to have a copy of the original source >> code of the POSIX manual in the git repository. With that, I'd find >> it more interesting to maintain the project again. >> >> I'd also like to know what's the original source code of POSIX's >> manual, because it may very well be roff(7). If that happens to be >> true, I'd like to have access to that source, instead of the HTML. >=20 > My understanding from hermetic comments to the Austin Group mailing lis= t > over the years is that: >=20 > 1. they have used groff for many years (a decade or more); > 2. they don't use man(7) for their man pages (I was told this directly)= ; >=20 > and >=20 > 3. they use (a customized version of) mm(7)--or I _think_ I saw someone= > say this, but I have no citation and I am not even sure it was an > Open Group employee who claimed it. I'd love to have the ms(7) source then. That way I would have a reason to learn ms(7). :) It would certainly be better than the HTML files. It would be interesting to adapt the Linux man-pages build system to also support ms(7) pages. >=20 > We fixed a bunch of bugs in GNU mm for groff 1.23.0.[1] I wonder if > they will be cross with me about that. Even if they didn't rely on any= > erstwhile misbehavior, the source churned, some internals changed, and > if they patched the package, I wouldn't count on the patches still > applying cleanly. >=20 >> Would you mind forwarding my rage towards the Open group, which IMO is= >> not so open? >=20 > Maybe scrape off the rage first, or you might get a response from Rober= t > Elz, who is even more cantankerous and writes at even greater length > than I do. ;-) I promise to scrape the rage if I get a name and an email of who to talk to. Maybe Eric can help. :) Cheers, Alex >=20 > Some time ago I solicited bug reports against groff from them. So far,= > nothing, unless they filed anonymously. >=20 > Regards, > Branden >=20 > [1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?go_report=3DApply&group=3Dg= roff&func=3Dbrowse&set=3Dcustom&msort=3D0&report_id=3D225&advsrch=3D0&bug= _id=3D&summary=3D&submitted_by=3D0&resolution_id=3D1&assigned_to=3D0&bug_= group_id=3D0&status_id=3D3&severity=3D0&category_id=3D121&plan_release_id= =3D103&history_search=3D0&history_field=3D0&history_event=3Dmodified&hist= ory_date_dayfd=3D13&history_date_monthfd=3D8&history_date_yearfd=3D2023&c= hunksz=3D50&spamscore=3D5&boxoptionwanted=3D1#options --=20 GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5 --------------Si8Eaw9UYvRLNohADpZioaMl-- --------------uN0E0LM01ksxLsg1gcyGTM7K Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE6jqH8KTroDDkXfJAnowa+77/2zIFAmTZWOoACgkQnowa+77/ 2zJPKw//beptrLhMY+dUF800AUOlq3SgY4+qLk20HzvntY+M2DY8wHyoPIeVy8E5 jJI2d4Ujayycv2+c3XQnuuuhi5zUBdj8WlVWopM7Lz9DGd4Dlxf93zxKRQ7sjud0 14YSoK3Leuh9z00gPIKu98qvkHK4BcRvDmzEr9Sy2SaYqjkIHQuTMagy1TgoQhNf APBJZURus/J3cSNAZEMfRWDAVfkZziG+Ssr9oEJ60VNHTIEI9u23AT1KOZu4ABZS dNCTC9ix5C6GBIvN/QjwhAZX1j66l14v9mVJAh2L6u0j5emn0OeoOyXps3x1UT7v YYbaF1U7fFPTEkazIJw8LqCmcXIqxDYqrE2IGGeKXZ0+ot5u7qLdOfhclE8DWj// NnvgXA8QPIvYg84x++omLK7b5W1UiEweBbmjaZRuDcctouv1kNhkYa0aG1RIcRrz ic7cM8OTWuw2V29I0ITYAZMND94awYhXhxuODOLLOof77vMMCf32lYOb+mI0w8pI ECX4fJkyyb3KwZf3zLoXjn82somydMXUHDp75rB+bbKuOrbEWhzZ+5Sh4QYRYIWj 7TIKZ5DCrZ85+O/P6AxQgYVJUEukboG3AeipOrDP/cjX5XXhVqp661exbTsqopyO TWTl6io2SP2iLlKXv0vfAQiCz4WvgKp8riGkocEY806fJmcZbRQ= =7DyR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------uN0E0LM01ksxLsg1gcyGTM7K--