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From: Carsten Andrich <carsten.andrich-hs6bpBdVsEZfm0AUMx9V0g@public.gmane.org>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	lnx-man <linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Willem de Bruijn
	<willemb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann
	<dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefan Puiu <stefan.puiu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] getsockopt.2, packet.7: improve sockopt documentation for packet sockets
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:23:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1398698632.2988.10.camel@actium.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140428133444.GD16041-B26myB8xz7F8NnZeBjwnZQMhkBWG/bsMQH7oEaQurus@public.gmane.org>

Am Montag, den 28.04.2014, 09:34 -0400 schrieb Neil Horman:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:42:40AM +0200, Carsten Andrich wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 25.04.2014, 07:02 -0400 schrieb Neil Horman:
> > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 06:14:17PM +0200, Carsten Andrich wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > +When a malformed packet is encountered on a transmit ring, the default is
> > > > +to reset its
> > > > +.I tp_status
> > > > +to
> > > > +.BR TP_STATUS_WRONG_FORMAT
> > > > +and abort the transmission immediately (it and following packets are left
> > > > +lingering on the ring).
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure this is 100% clear.  Any of these error status flags leave the
> > > packet in memory on the ring.  WRONG_FORMAT, doesn't do anything special here.
> > 
> > The RX-related flags simply denote additional information, which are not
> > essential for RX ring operation, i.e. it won't hurt you if you ignore
> > them.
> > 
> > TP_STATUS_WRONG_FORMAT is different. It's only set if the transmission
> > process is aborted by the kernel. If this occurs the sendto()-call will
> > return EINVAL. In this case you have to walk the ring backwards from the
> > current userspace frame pointer, look for a frame with tp_status ==
> > TP_STATUS_WRONG_FORMAT, fix it and set its tp_status =
> > TP_STATUS_SEND_REQUEST. I assume PACKET_LOSS was introduced to obviate
> > the need to do this.
> > 
> > This should qualify TP_STATUS_WRONG_FORMAT as special. This behaviour
> > probably deserves a little more detail in the man-page, but I'll defer
> > that until the general overhaul takes place.
> > 
> > I've hacked up a demonstration and attached it.
> > Sorry, I'm a freedom-fighter against the 80-character-oppression :)
> > 
> > I also updated my patch for merge-less application to current
> > git-master:
> > 
> I'm fine with the example, its the specific reference to the statement "it and
> following packets are left lingering on the ring".  Thats not special in
> relation to WRONG_FORMAT.  Even if a packet transmits successfully and gets its
> status set back to AVAILABLE, the data of the packet is still in the ring and
> can be recovered by user space.  Thats all I'm getting at.
> Neil

I put the lingering-thingy into the TP_STATUS_WRONG_FORMAT description
to emphasize, that packets that have actually been scheduled for
transmission are still waiting for user-space to clean up its self-made
mess and retrigger the transmission.
Of course packets don't just vanish from the ring, I just though that
this very case deserves to have this explicitly mentioned. Facts like
these may not be entirely self-evident to the occasional PACKET_MMAP
user and/or man-page reader.

But lets cut this short ;)

Do you have any concrete suggestions on how to improve the phrasing?

Cheers,
Carsten

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-28 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-24 16:14 [patch] getsockopt.2, packet.7: improve sockopt documentation for packet sockets Carsten Andrich
     [not found] ` <1398356057.1966.14.camel-DYJrb7SVE5twFLYp8hBm2A@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-25 11:02   ` Neil Horman
     [not found]     ` <20140425110218.GA14074-B26myB8xz7F8NnZeBjwnZQMhkBWG/bsMQH7oEaQurus@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-25 22:42       ` Carsten Andrich
     [not found]         ` <1398465760.6683.33.camel-FQO4gtnRtnzkVFMGpb/cPg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-28 13:34           ` Neil Horman
     [not found]             ` <20140428133444.GD16041-B26myB8xz7F8NnZeBjwnZQMhkBWG/bsMQH7oEaQurus@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-28 15:23               ` Carsten Andrich [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <1398698632.2988.10.camel-FQO4gtnRtnzkVFMGpb/cPg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-28 17:28                   ` Neil Horman
     [not found]                     ` <20140428172815.GG16041-B26myB8xz7F8NnZeBjwnZQMhkBWG/bsMQH7oEaQurus@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-28 18:12                       ` Carsten Andrich
     [not found]                         ` <1398708750.2988.18.camel-FQO4gtnRtnzkVFMGpb/cPg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 10:51                           ` Neil Horman
     [not found]                             ` <20140429105118.GA11686-B26myB8xz7F8NnZeBjwnZQMhkBWG/bsMQH7oEaQurus@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 11:16                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 12:02                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                             ` <535F94D5.8050307-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 12:53                               ` Carsten Andrich
2014-04-29 12:58                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2014-04-29 11:22 Carsten Andrich
     [not found] ` <o3okqw7ix4iaf8ukfb6ufhie.1398770460424-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 13:11   ` Neil Horman

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