linux-man.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Cc: linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Update the random(4) documentation towards a more accurate view on /dev/urandom
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 13:48:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1470052099.2926.6.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1461574090.32558.45.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 809 bytes --]

On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 10:48 +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote:
> This documents the "property" of /dev/urandom of being able to serve
> numbers
> prior to pool being initialized, and removes any suggested usages of
> /dev/random
> which are disputable (i.e., one-time pad).
> Document the fact /dev/random is only suitable for applications which
> can afford
> indeterminate delays since very few applications can do so.
> Smooth the alarming language about a theoretical attack, and mention
> that its
> security depends on the cryptographic primitives used by the kernel,
> as well
> as the total entropy gathered.

This is an updated patch reflecting the recent discussion in linux-
crypto:

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org/msg20400.html

regards,
Nikos

[-- Attachment #2: 0001-Update-the-random-4-documentation-towards-a-more-acc.patch --]
[-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 4420 bytes --]

From ed2c270b4c5ba96c262eaf1ac8bb2e24a918e2af Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:08:14 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Update the random(4) documentation towards a more accurate
 view on /dev/urandom

This documents the "property" of /dev/urandom of being able to serve numbers
prior to pool being initialized, and removes any suggested usages of /dev/random
which are disputable (i.e., one-time pad).
Document the fact /dev/random is a legacy interface and only suitable for
applications which can afford indeterminate delays since very few applications
can do so.

Signed-off-by: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com>
---
 man4/random.4 | 51 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------------------
 1 file changed, 26 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)

diff --git a/man4/random.4 b/man4/random.4
index b6fdd8c..e2b975b 100644
--- a/man4/random.4
+++ b/man4/random.4
@@ -13,8 +13,9 @@
 .\" 2004-04-08, AEB, Improved description of read from /dev/urandom
 .\" 2008-06-20, George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
 .\"             Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
-.\"     Add a Usage subsection that recommends most users to use
-.\"     /dev/urandom, and emphasizes parsimonious usage of /dev/random.
+.\" 2016-08-01, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com>
+.\"     Mention that /dev/random is a legacy interface and removed suggested
+.\"     uses of /dev/random.
 .\"
 .TH RANDOM 4 2015-12-28 "Linux" "Linux Programmer's Manual"
 .SH NAME
@@ -37,11 +38,22 @@ The generator also keeps an estimate of the
 number of bits of noise in the entropy pool.
 From this entropy pool random numbers are created.
 .LP
-When read, the \fI/dev/random\fP device will return random bytes
-only within the estimated number of bits of noise in the entropy
-pool.
-\fI/dev/random\fP should be suitable for uses that need very
-high quality randomness such as one-time pad or key generation.
+When read, the \fI/dev/urandom\fP device return random bytes using a pseudorandom 
+number generator seeded from the entropy pool. That operation is
+non-blocking. When used during early boot time, this device may return
+data prior to the entropy pool being initialization.
+If this is of concern in your application, use
+.BR getrandom(2)
+or \fI/dev/random\fP instead.
+
+.LP
+The \fI/dev/random\fP device is a legacy interface which dates back to
+a time where the cryptographic primitives used in the implementation
+were not widely trusted. It will return random bytes
+only within the estimated number of bits of fresh noise in the entropy
+pool, blocking if necessary.
+\fI/dev/random\fP is suitable for applications that need very
+high quality randomness, and can afford indeterminate delays.
 When the entropy pool is empty, reads from \fI/dev/random\fP will block
 until additional environmental noise is gathered.
 If
@@ -60,18 +72,8 @@ will return -1 and
 .I errno
 will be set to
 .BR EAGAIN .
-.LP
-A read from the \fI/dev/urandom\fP device will not block
-waiting for more entropy.
-If there is not sufficient entropy, a pseudorandom number generator is used
-to create the requested bytes.
-As a result, in this case the returned values are theoretically vulnerable to a
-cryptographic attack on the algorithms used by the driver.
-Knowledge of how to do this is not available in the current unclassified
-literature, but it is theoretically possible that such an attack may
-exist.
-If this is a concern in your application, use \fI/dev/random\fP
-instead.
+
+The flag
 .B O_NONBLOCK
 has no effect when opening
 .IR /dev/urandom .
@@ -82,6 +84,8 @@ for the device
 signals will not be handled until after the requested random bytes
 have been generated.
 
+
+
 Since Linux 3.16,
 .\" commit 79a8468747c5f95ed3d5ce8376a3e82e0c5857fc
 a
@@ -104,14 +108,11 @@ This means that it will impact the contents
 read from both files, but it will not make reads from
 \fI/dev/random\fP faster.
 .SS Usage
-If you are unsure about whether you should use
+The 
 .IR /dev/random
-or
+interface is considered a legacy interface, and 
 .IR /dev/urandom ,
-then probably you want to use the latter.
-As a general rule,
-.IR /dev/urandom
-should be used for everything except long-lived GPG/SSL/SSH keys.
+is recommended for general use.
 
 If a seed file is saved across reboots as recommended below (all major
 Linux distributions have done this since 2000 at least), the output is
-- 
2.7.4


  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-01 11:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-25  8:48 [PATCH] Update the random(4) documentation towards a more accurate view on /dev/urandom Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found] ` <1461574090.32558.45.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-25 15:46   ` George Spelvin
     [not found]     ` <20160425154605.7445.qmail-HzZAx2gCgqrSUeElwK9/Pw@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 14:46       ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]         ` <1461681983.15804.76.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 16:58           ` George Spelvin
     [not found]             ` <20160426165847.5804.qmail-HzZAx2gCgqrSUeElwK9/Pw@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-09 15:26               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                 ` <8a990d27-1fc2-8358-f9d3-c9474d6d8616-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10  8:21                   ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]                     ` <1478766102.2642.12.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10 11:29                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-08-01 11:48   ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos [this message]
     [not found]     ` <1470052099.2926.6.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-20  8:37       ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]         ` <1476952646.2522.10.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21  7:21           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]             ` <8a5e82db-6f8a-2426-4a68-feab205bca57-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21 14:07               ` Stephan Mueller
     [not found]                 ` <2402524.TIv9Kdt40z-gNvIQDDl/k7Ia13z/PHSgg@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21 14:38                   ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]                     ` <1477060710.3888.14.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21 14:55                       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-10-21 16:33                   ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                     ` <20161021163314.cvhjgr4s7lfzdsve-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21 16:50                       ` Stephan Mueller
     [not found]                         ` <4610047.a51zB7LfZj-gNvIQDDl/k7Ia13z/PHSgg@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21 17:56                           ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                             ` <20161021175633.5x5mp2xv3wq4ejjf-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-21 18:00                               ` Stephan Mueller
2016-11-01  9:35               ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]                 ` <1477992912.3769.22.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-09 14:58                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-09 15:23           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]             ` <b07fb334-149d-cf65-74f3-1d1951e5981b-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10  8:54               ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]                 ` <1478768067.2642.23.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10  9:11                   ` Laurent Georget
     [not found]                     ` <3b7ba39b-0434-47ca-7857-257f3c99266b-AyimVQWTEHzsq35pWSNszA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10 11:56                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-10 11:50                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                     ` <e5c1f87c-aad0-b526-a346-74348a36c2a3-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10 11:53                       ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]                         ` <1478778837.2642.26.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10 11:56                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                             ` <05152136-6943-8ada-3d65-51ef4ce9c1b1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-10 14:19                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-10 14:20                               ` [PATCH] random.4: Improve discussion or urandom, blocking reads, and signals Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                 ` <4a8c573c-0c19-29d0-248e-74c088968806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-11 10:28                                   ` Laurent Georget
     [not found]                                     ` <d5eca965-c8b9-51e5-6acb-172e47f85ba0-vbcOdlJ0SulGWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-11 11:51                                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-12 12:25                                       ` New random(7) page for review Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                         ` <cb25213c-a70d-cbf1-6a42-959dcdc1f202-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-12 14:03                                           ` Laurent Georget
     [not found]                                             ` <54e6e40c-b840-c773-e739-7faed9664411-AyimVQWTEHzsq35pWSNszA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-15  6:19                                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-13 22:20                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                             ` <20161113222041.ypnz3sdm3fmjprnn-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-15  6:41                                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-14  8:06                                           ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
     [not found]                                             ` <1479110801.2624.2.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-15  6:10                                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-11 16:05                                   ` [PATCH] random.4: Improve discussion or urandom, blocking reads, and signals Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                     ` <20161111160514.yrlfteowdz4qar76-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-12 10:54                                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1470052099.2926.6.camel@redhat.com \
    --to=nmav-h+wxahxf7alqt0dzr+alfa@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).