From: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Laurent Georget"
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"Laurent Georget"
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"Luke Bratch" <luke-g3IQT7+C+D7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org>,
"Ivan Babrou" <ibobrik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
matt-6J8q6J5oQjkQrrorzV6ljw@public.gmane.org,
"Heinrich Schuchardt" <xypron.glpk-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>,
linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
"Thomas Hühn" <t@2uo.de>,
"Stephan Mueller"
<smueller-T9tCv8IpfcWELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>,
"Carl Winbäck" <c@tunnel53.net>,
mpm-VDJrAJ4Gl5ZBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Revised draft of random(7) man page for review
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 11:20:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1479810045.31825.20.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49c33335-5933-e0bd-3e5e-d51ff051425f-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Sun, 2016-11-20 at 10:14 +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hello Nikos,
> > >
> > > Obviously, no one knows of such a vulnerability, and I'm fairly
> > > confident that there won't be such a vulnerability across the
> > > different ways we've used to generate the urandom source --- but
> > > some
> > > people are professional paranoids, and would argue that we
> > > shouldn't
> > > make bulk output of the CSPRNG available for no good reason, just
> > > in
> > > case.
> >
> > The above is certainly accurate, however, I think that such a
> > discussion or text, when reflected to a man-page is going to cause
> > problems. The audience of a man-page are not crypto people, and
> > seeing such text would create confusion rather than clarify how
> > these
> > devices/apis should be used. The *if* part is not put into a
> > perspective, suggesting that such an *if* is possible. However, if
> > one clarifies, i.e., in that case, your TLS or SSH connection is
> > most
> > likely broken as well, and not because of any attack on
> > /dev/urandom,
> > then one can see that we are heading towards a theoretical
> > discussion.
> >
> > My suggestion, on that particular text would be to remove it, but
> > make it explicit somewhere in the text that all the assurances for
> > the devices depend on the crypto primitives, rather than describing
> > risks that may arise on particular usage patterns *if* primitives
> > are
> > broken.
>
> Thanks. This makes sense to me. Following your suggestion,
> I plan to apply the patch below. Does it seem okay to you?
Looks fine to me.
regards,
Nikos
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2016-11-15 6:56 Revised draft of random(7) man page for review Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2016-11-15 15:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
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2016-11-15 21:51 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-19 21:39 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
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2016-11-20 9:14 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2016-11-22 10:20 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos [this message]
[not found] ` <1479810045.31825.20.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 14:04 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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