[patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

Package: man-pages
Version: 3.40
Severity: minor
Tags: patch

  From "groff -ww ...":

<groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'

  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
"0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD". 
See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").

  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
"[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.

  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.

  Suggested patch for one of the files:

--- iso_8859-1.7	2012-04-26 22:58:39.000000000 +0000
+++ iso_8859-1.7.new	2012-05-10 16:01:39.000000000 +0000
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@
 The fourth column will only show the proper glyphs
 in an environment configured for ISO 8859-1.
 .TS
-l l l c lp-1.
+l2 l2 l2 c2 lp-1.
 Oct	Dec	Hex	Char	Description
 _
 240	160	A0	 	NO-BREAK SPACE
@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@
 252	170	AA	ª	FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
 253	171	AB	«	LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
 254	172	AC	¬	NOT SIGN
-255	173	AD	-	SOFT HYPHEN
+255	173	AD	­	SOFT HYPHEN (shown as a hyphen at line breaks)¹
 256	174	AE	®	REGISTERED SIGN
 257	175	AF	¯	MACRON
 260	176	B0	°	DEGREE SIGN
@@ -171,6 +171,11 @@
 376	254	FE	þ	LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
 377	255	FF	ÿ	LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
 .TE
+  ¹ A graphic character that is imaged by a graphic symbol
+identical with, or similar to, that representing HYPHEN, for use
+when a line break has been established wihin a word.
+.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
+paragraph 6.3.3.
 .SH "SEE ALSO"
 .BR ascii (7),
 .BR iso_8859-15 (7)

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

Hi Bjarni,

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
<bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Package: man-pages
> Version: 3.40
> Severity: minor
> Tags: patch
>
>  From "groff -ww ...":
>
> <groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'
>
>  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
> undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
> "0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD".
> See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").
>
>  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
> code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
> "[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.
>
>  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
> explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.
>
>  Suggested patch for one of the files:

Is there any reason that the explanation should be added to only one
of the files? I'm somewhat inclined just to change the character, and
not add the explanation (so that this page is similar to the others).

Cheers,

Michael



> --- iso_8859-1.7        2012-04-26 22:58:39.000000000 +0000
> +++ iso_8859-1.7.new    2012-05-10 16:01:39.000000000 +0000
> @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@
>  The fourth column will only show the proper glyphs
>  in an environment configured for ISO 8859-1.
>  .TS
> -l l l c lp-1.
> +l2 l2 l2 c2 lp-1.
>  Oct    Dec     Hex     Char    Description
>  _
>  240    160     A0              NO-BREAK SPACE
> @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@
>  252    170     AA      ª       FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>  253    171     AB      «       LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
>  254    172     AC      ¬       NOT SIGN
> -255    173     AD      -       SOFT HYPHEN
> +255    173     AD      ­       SOFT HYPHEN (shown as a hyphen at line breaks)¹
>  256    174     AE      ®       REGISTERED SIGN
>  257    175     AF      ¯       MACRON
>  260    176     B0      °       DEGREE SIGN
> @@ -171,6 +171,11 @@
>  376    254     FE      þ       LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
>  377    255     FF      ÿ       LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
>  .TE
> +  ¹ A graphic character that is imaged by a graphic symbol
> +identical with, or similar to, that representing HYPHEN, for use
> +when a line break has been established wihin a word.
> +.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
> +paragraph 6.3.3.
>  .SH "SEE ALSO"
>  .BR ascii (7),
>  .BR iso_8859-15 (7)
>
> --
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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:08:26AM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hi Bjarni,
> 
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Package: man-pages
> > Version: 3.40
> > Severity: minor
> > Tags: patch
> >
> >  From "groff -ww ...":
> >
> > <groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'
> >
> >  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
> > undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
> > "0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD".
> > See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").
> >
> >  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
> > code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
> > "[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.
> >
> >  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
> > explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.
> >
> >  Suggested patch for one of the files:
> 
> Is there any reason that the explanation should be added to only one
> of the files? I'm somewhat inclined just to change the character, and
> not add the explanation (so that this page is similar to the others).
> 

  No, because the source of the footnote is contained in it (ISO
8859-1:1987).  The wording in the other standards could be
different.  This note could also avoid reports of a "bug", that are
more than only corrections of wording.

[removed text]

> >  .TE
> > +  ¹ A graphic character that is imaged by a graphic symbol
> > +identical with, or similar to, that representing HYPHEN, for use
> > +when a line break has been established wihin a word.
> > +.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
> > +paragraph 6.3.3.
> >  .SH "SEE ALSO"
> >  .BR ascii (7),
> >  .BR iso_8859-15 (7)


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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

Bjarni,

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpc@public.gmane.orgs> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:08:26AM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> Hi Bjarni,
>>
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > Package: man-pages
>> > Version: 3.40
>> > Severity: minor
>> > Tags: patch
>> >
>> >  From "groff -ww ...":
>> >
>> > <groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'
>> >
>> >  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
>> > undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
>> > "0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD".
>> > See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").
>> >
>> >  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
>> > code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
>> > "[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.
>> >
>> >  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
>> > explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.
>> >
>> >  Suggested patch for one of the files:
>>
>> Is there any reason that the explanation should be added to only one
>> of the files? I'm somewhat inclined just to change the character, and
>> not add the explanation (so that this page is similar to the others).
>>
>
>  No, because the source of the footnote is contained in it (ISO
> 8859-1:1987).  The wording in the other standards could be
> different.  This note could also avoid reports of a "bug", that are
> more than only corrections of wording.

So, in other words, this change is relevant only for iso_8859-1.7, right?

Thanks,

Michael

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

Bjarni,

Ping?

Thanks,

Michael


On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Bjarni,
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig-5zMUtr2BsJg@public.gmane.org.is> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:08:26AM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>>> Hi Bjarni,
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>>> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> > Package: man-pages
>>> > Version: 3.40
>>> > Severity: minor
>>> > Tags: patch
>>> >
>>> >  From "groff -ww ...":
>>> >
>>> > <groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'
>>> >
>>> >  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
>>> > undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
>>> > "0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD".
>>> > See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").
>>> >
>>> >  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
>>> > code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
>>> > "[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.
>>> >
>>> >  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
>>> > explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.
>>> >
>>> >  Suggested patch for one of the files:
>>>
>>> Is there any reason that the explanation should be added to only one
>>> of the files? I'm somewhat inclined just to change the character, and
>>> not add the explanation (so that this page is similar to the others).
>>>
>>
>>  No, because the source of the footnote is contained in it (ISO
>> 8859-1:1987).  The wording in the other standards could be
>> different.  This note could also avoid reports of a "bug", that are
>> more than only corrections of wording.
>
> So, in other words, this change is relevant only for iso_8859-1.7, right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
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> Author of "The Linux Programming Interface"; http://man7.org/tlpi/



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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 10:50:50PM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Bjarni,
> 
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig-5zMUtr2BsJg@public.gmane.org.is> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:08:26AM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> >> Hi Bjarni,
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> >> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> > Package: man-pages
> >> > Version: 3.40
> >> > Severity: minor
> >> > Tags: patch
> >> >
> >> >  From "groff -ww ...":
> >> >
> >> > <groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'
> >> >
> >> >  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
> >> > undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
> >> > "0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD".
> >> > See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").
> >> >
> >> >  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
> >> > code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
> >> > "[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.
> >> >
> >> >  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
> >> > explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.
> >> >
> >> >  Suggested patch for one of the files:
> >>
> >> Is there any reason that the explanation should be added to only one
> >> of the files? I'm somewhat inclined just to change the character, and
> >> not add the explanation (so that this page is similar to the others).
> >>
> >
> >  No, because the source of the footnote is contained in it (ISO
> > 8859-1:1987).  The wording in the other standards could be
> > different.  This note could also avoid reports of a "bug", that are
> > more than only corrections of wording.
> 
> So, in other words, this change is relevant only for iso_8859-1.7, right?
> 
  Yes, confine it to ISO-8859-1.  I may have to change it.  I have
to clarify some issues with the Icelandic Standards (IST,
www.stadlar.is/english/) about the use of IST/ISO standards.  The
policy of ISO is now very strict about what may be used without
permission.

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
<bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 10:50:50PM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> Bjarni,
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:08:26AM +1200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> >> Hi Bjarni,
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>> >> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >> > Package: man-pages
>> >> > Version: 3.40
>> >> > Severity: minor
>> >> > Tags: patch
>> >> >
>> >> >  From "groff -ww ...":
>> >> >
>> >> > <groff: iso_8859-2.7>:89: warning: can't find special character `shc'
>> >> >
>> >> >  This is the only "iso_8859-*.7" file that has this (now)
>> >> > undefined character.  The code in column four in "iso_8859-1.7" is
>> >> > "0x2D" ("HYPHEN, MINUS SIGN" or "HYPHEN-MINUS") instead of "0xAD".
>> >> > See Debian bug 156154 (or package "manpages").
>> >> >
>> >> >  There should be an explanation for this graphic character and the
>> >> > code should be 0xAD in iso_8859-1.7 (as in all others), even though
>> >> > "[gn]roff" does not display a "HYPHEN" in that position of the table.
>> >> >
>> >> >  The line with "SOFT HYPHEN" gets a footnote and a short
>> >> > explanation.  The footnote is from the official ISO standard.
>> >> >
>> >> >  Suggested patch for one of the files:
>> >>
>> >> Is there any reason that the explanation should be added to only one
>> >> of the files? I'm somewhat inclined just to change the character, and
>> >> not add the explanation (so that this page is similar to the others).
>> >>
>> >
>> >  No, because the source of the footnote is contained in it (ISO
>> > 8859-1:1987).  The wording in the other standards could be
>> > different.  This note could also avoid reports of a "bug", that are
>> > more than only corrections of wording.
>>
>> So, in other words, this change is relevant only for iso_8859-1.7, right?
>>
>   Yes, confine it to ISO-8859-1.  I may have to change it.  I have
> to clarify some issues with the Icelandic Standards (IST,
> www.stadlar.is/english/) about the use of IST/ISO standards.  The
> policy of ISO is now very strict about what may be used without
> permission.

Any further update to that last sentence of yours? Is man-pages able
to use that patch you sent?

Thanks,

Michael

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 08:01:04AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
[removed text]
> 
> Any further update to that last sentence of yours? Is man-pages able
> to use that patch you sent?
> 
  I have done nothing in this case, and I suppose that will wait
until autumn or winter.

  A better solution is to simplify the footnote:

  See groff_char(7) (soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 (shy)
or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

Hello Bjarni,

Late follow-up...

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
<bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 08:01:04AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> [removed text]
>>
>> Any further update to that last sentence of yours? Is man-pages able
>> to use that patch you sent?
>>
>   I have done nothing in this case, and I suppose that will wait
> until autumn or winter.
>
>   A better solution is to simplify the footnote:
>
>   See groff_char(7) (soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 (shy)
> or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.

So, I applied the patch below. Okay?

Cheers,

Michael

--- a/man7/iso_8859-1.7
+++ b/man7/iso_8859-1.7
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ manual page.
 The fourth column will only show the proper glyphs
 in an environment configured for ISO 8859-1.
 .TS
-l l l c lp-1.
+l2 l2 l2 c2 lp-1.
 Oct    Dec     Hex     Char    Description
 _
 240    160     A0      <A0>    NO-BREAK SPACE
@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ _
 252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
 253    171     AB      <AB>    LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
 254    172     AC      <AC>    NOT SIGN
-255    173     AD      -       SOFT HYPHEN
+255    173     AD      <AD>    SOFT HYPHEN (shown as a hyphen at line
breaks) [1]
 256    174     AE      <AE>    REGISTERED SIGN
 257    175     AF      <AF>    MACRON
 260    176     B0      <B0>    DEGREE SIGN
@@ -171,6 +171,14 @@ _
 376    254     FE      <FE>    LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
 377    255     FF      <FF>    LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
 .TE
+.IP [1] 4
+See
+.BR groff_char (7)
+(soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 ("shy",
+paragraph 6.3.3)
+or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.
+.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
+paragraph 6.3.3.
 .SH "SEE ALSO"
 .BR ascii (7),
 .BR iso_8859-15 (7)


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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:07:50AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hello Bjarni,
> 
> Late follow-up...
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 08:01:04AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> >> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > [removed text]
> >>
> >> Any further update to that last sentence of yours? Is man-pages able
> >> to use that patch you sent?
> >>
> >   I have done nothing in this case, and I suppose that will wait
> > until autumn or winter.
> >
> >   A better solution is to simplify the footnote:
> >
> >   See groff_char(7) (soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 (shy)
> > or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.
> 
> So, I applied the patch below. Okay?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- a/man7/iso_8859-1.7
> +++ b/man7/iso_8859-1.7
> @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ manual page.
>  The fourth column will only show the proper glyphs
>  in an environment configured for ISO 8859-1.
>  .TS
> -l l l c lp-1.
> +l2 l2 l2 c2 lp-1.
>  Oct    Dec     Hex     Char    Description
>  _
>  240    160     A0      <A0>    NO-BREAK SPACE
> @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ _
>  252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>  253    171     AB      <AB>    LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
>  254    172     AC      <AC>    NOT SIGN
> -255    173     AD      -       SOFT HYPHEN
> +255    173     AD      <AD>    SOFT HYPHEN (shown as a hyphen at line
> breaks) [1]
>  256    174     AE      <AE>    REGISTERED SIGN
>  257    175     AF      <AF>    MACRON
>  260    176     B0      <B0>    DEGREE SIGN
> @@ -171,6 +171,14 @@ _
>  376    254     FE      <FE>    LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
>  377    255     FF      <FF>    LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
>  .TE
> +.IP [1] 4
> +See
> +.BR groff_char (7)
> +(soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 ("shy",
> +paragraph 6.3.3)
> +or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.
> +.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
> +paragraph 6.3.3.
>  .SH "SEE ALSO"
>  .BR ascii (7),
>  .BR iso_8859-15 (7)
> 
   O.K., but
1) drop

+.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
+paragraph 6.3.3.

  The year (1987) is for an older version; paragraph is repeated
from a previous line.  If you want the name of the standard
boldfaced, do it with the first mention of it in the change.

2) The column for "Char" should show the graphic character (glyph)
for the code, and not repeap column 3 (with extra < >)

3) There are no tabs in the table!  Have been changed to spaces!

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

Hello Bjarni,

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
<bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:07:50AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> Hello Bjarni,
>>
>> Late follow-up...
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 08:01:04AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>> >> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > [removed text]
>> >>
>> >> Any further update to that last sentence of yours? Is man-pages able
>> >> to use that patch you sent?
>> >>
>> >   I have done nothing in this case, and I suppose that will wait
>> > until autumn or winter.
>> >
>> >   A better solution is to simplify the footnote:
>> >
>> >   See groff_char(7) (soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 (shy)
>> > or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.
>>
>> So, I applied the patch below. Okay?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> --- a/man7/iso_8859-1.7
>> +++ b/man7/iso_8859-1.7
>> @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ manual page.
>>  The fourth column will only show the proper glyphs
>>  in an environment configured for ISO 8859-1.
>>  .TS
>> -l l l c lp-1.
>> +l2 l2 l2 c2 lp-1.
>>  Oct    Dec     Hex     Char    Description
>>  _
>>  240    160     A0      <A0>    NO-BREAK SPACE
>> @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ _
>>  252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>>  253    171     AB      <AB>    LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
>>  254    172     AC      <AC>    NOT SIGN
>> -255    173     AD      -       SOFT HYPHEN
>> +255    173     AD      <AD>    SOFT HYPHEN (shown as a hyphen at line
>> breaks) [1]
>>  256    174     AE      <AE>    REGISTERED SIGN
>>  257    175     AF      <AF>    MACRON
>>  260    176     B0      <B0>    DEGREE SIGN
>> @@ -171,6 +171,14 @@ _
>>  376    254     FE      <FE>    LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
>>  377    255     FF      <FF>    LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
>>  .TE
>> +.IP [1] 4
>> +See
>> +.BR groff_char (7)
>> +(soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 ("shy",
>> +paragraph 6.3.3)
>> +or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.
>> +.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
>> +paragraph 6.3.3.
>>  .SH "SEE ALSO"
>>  .BR ascii (7),
>>  .BR iso_8859-15 (7)
>>
>    O.K., but
> 1) drop
>
> +.BR "ISO 8859-1:1987" ,
> +paragraph 6.3.3.

Thanks, done.

>   The year (1987) is for an older version; paragraph is repeated
> from a previous line.  If you want the name of the standard
> boldfaced, do it with the first mention of it in the change.
>
> 2) The column for "Char" should show the graphic character (glyph)
> for the code, and not repeap column 3 (with extra < >)

I don't understand this comment. Could you say some more.

> 3) There are no tabs in the table!  Have been changed to spaces!

Ahh -- sorry, that was because I did a GUI cut+paste into my mail. The
tabs still exist in the source file.

Cheers,

Michael


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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:16:26PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hello Bjarni,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 

[text removed]

> > 2) The column for "Char" should show the graphic character (glyph)
> > for the code, and not repeap column 3 (with extra < >)
> 
> I don't understand this comment. Could you say some more.
> 
  An example is missing.  I see for example

>>  252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR

  but it should be (with tabs inserted)

>>  252	170	AA	ª	FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR

  So there is a bug or false configuration

> > 3) There are no tabs in the table!  Have been changed to spaces!
> 
> Ahh -- sorry, that was because I did a GUI cut+paste into my mail. The
> tabs still exist in the source file.
> 

  Also here is a bug or false configuration.

####

  The history (what is actually in the mail (text), not necessary
what the mail programm shows):

From me (Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:42:31 +0000)

 252	170	AA	ª	FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR

From you (Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:08:26 +1200)

> =A0252 =A0 =A0170 =A0 =A0 AA =A0 =A0 =A0=AA =A0 =A0 =A0 FEMININE ORDINAL =
INDICATOR

From you (Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:09:36 +1200)

>> =A0252 =A0 =A0170 =A0 =A0 AA =A0 =A0 =A0=AA =A0 =A0 =A0 FEMININE ORDINAL=
 INDICATOR

From you (Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:07:50 +0200)

 252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR

[removed text]

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

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Hi Bjarni,

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
<bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:16:26PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> Hello Bjarni,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
>> <bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>
> [text removed]
>
>> > 2) The column for "Char" should show the graphic character (glyph)
>> > for the code, and not repeap column 3 (with extra < >)
>>
>> I don't understand this comment. Could you say some more.
>>
>   An example is missing.  I see for example
>
>>>  252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>
>   but it should be (with tabs inserted)
>
>>>  252 170     AA      ª       FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>
>   So there is a bug or false configuration
>
>> > 3) There are no tabs in the table!  Have been changed to spaces!
>>
>> Ahh -- sorry, that was because I did a GUI cut+paste into my mail. The
>> tabs still exist in the source file.
>>
>
>   Also here is a bug or false configuration.
>
> ####
>
>   The history (what is actually in the mail (text), not necessary
> what the mail programm shows):
>
> From me (Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:42:31 +0000)
>
>  252    170     AA      ª       FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>
> From you (Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:08:26 +1200)
>
>> =A0252 =A0 =A0170 =A0 =A0 AA =A0 =A0 =A0=AA =A0 =A0 =A0 FEMININE ORDINAL =
> INDICATOR
>
> From you (Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:09:36 +1200)
>
>>> =A0252 =A0 =A0170 =A0 =A0 AA =A0 =A0 =A0=AA =A0 =A0 =A0 FEMININE ORDINAL=
>  INDICATOR
>
> From you (Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:07:50 +0200)
>
>  252    170     AA      <AA>    FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
>
> [removed text]

I've attached the current version of the page. Could you
send a patch (or an edited version of the page) that amends
the page as you see necessary. Send the patch/page as an
ATTACHMENT, so we can avoid any mailer issues.

Thanks,

Michael

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.\" Copyright 1993-1995 Daniel Quinlan (quinlan@yggdrasil.com)
.\"
.\" This is free documentation; you can redistribute it and/or
.\" modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as
.\" published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of
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.\"
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.\" and "executables" are to be interpreted as the output of any
.\" document formatting or typesetting system, including
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.\"
.\" This manual is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
.\" but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
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.\"
.\" You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
.\" License along with this manual; if not, write to the Free
.\" Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111,
.\" USA.
.\"
.\" Slightly rearranged, aeb, 950713
.\" Updated, dpo, 990531
.TH ISO_8859-1 7 2012-08-14 "Linux" "Linux Programmer's Manual"
.nh
.SH NAME
iso_8859-1 \- ISO 8859-1 character set encoded in octal, decimal,
and hexadecimal
.SH DESCRIPTION
The ISO 8859 standard includes several 8-bit extensions to the ASCII
character set (also known as ISO 646-IRV).
Especially important is
ISO 8859-1, the "Latin Alphabet No. 1", which has become widely
implemented and may already be seen as the de-facto standard ASCII
replacement.
.P
ISO 8859-1 supports the following languages: Afrikaans, Basque,
Catalan, Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, Galician,
German, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Scottish,
Spanish, and Swedish.
.P
Note that the ISO 8859-1 characters are also the first 256 characters
of ISO 10646 (Unicode).
.SS "ISO 8859 Alphabets"
The full set of ISO 8859 alphabets includes:
.TS
l l.
ISO 8859-1	West European languages (Latin-1)
ISO 8859-2	Central and East European languages (Latin-2)
ISO 8859-3	Southeast European and miscellaneous languages (Latin-3)
ISO 8859-4	Scandinavian/Baltic languages (Latin-4)
ISO 8859-5	Latin/Cyrillic
ISO 8859-6	Latin/Arabic
ISO 8859-7	Latin/Greek
ISO 8859-8	Latin/Hebrew
ISO 8859-9	Latin-1 modification for Turkish (Latin-5)
ISO 8859-10	Lappish/Nordic/Eskimo languages (Latin-6)
ISO 8859-11	Latin/Thai
ISO 8859-13	Baltic Rim languages (Latin-7)
ISO 8859-14	Celtic (Latin-8)
ISO 8859-15	West European languages (Latin-9)
ISO 8859-16	Romanian (Latin-10)
.TE
.SS "ISO 8859-1 Characters"
The following table displays the characters in ISO 8859-1 (Latin-1),
which are printable and unlisted in the
.BR ascii (7)
manual page.
The fourth column will only show the proper glyphs
in an environment configured for ISO 8859-1.
.TS
l2 l2 l2 c2 lp-1.
Oct	Dec	Hex	Char	Description
_
240	160	A0	 	NO-BREAK SPACE
241	161	A1	¡	INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
242	162	A2	¢	CENT SIGN
243	163	A3	£	POUND SIGN
244	164	A4	¤	CURRENCY SIGN
245	165	A5	¥	YEN SIGN
246	166	A6	¦	BROKEN BAR
247	167	A7	§	SECTION SIGN
250	168	A8	¨	DIAERESIS
251	169	A9	©	COPYRIGHT SIGN
252	170	AA	ª	FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
253	171	AB	«	LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
254	172	AC	¬	NOT SIGN
255	173	AD	­	SOFT HYPHEN (shown as a hyphen at line breaks) [1]
256	174	AE	®	REGISTERED SIGN
257	175	AF	¯	MACRON
260	176	B0	°	DEGREE SIGN
261	177	B1	±	PLUS-MINUS SIGN
262	178	B2	²	SUPERSCRIPT TWO
263	179	B3	³	SUPERSCRIPT THREE
264	180	B4	´	ACUTE ACCENT
265	181	B5	µ	MICRO SIGN
266	182	B6	¶	PILCROW SIGN
267	183	B7	·	MIDDLE DOT
270	184	B8	¸	CEDILLA
271	185	B9	¹	SUPERSCRIPT ONE
272	186	BA	º	MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR
273	187	BB	»	RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
274	188	BC	¼	VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER
275	189	BD	½	VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF
276	190	BE	¾	VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS
277	191	BF	¿	INVERTED QUESTION MARK
300	192	C0	À	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH GRAVE
301	193	C1	Á	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH ACUTE
302	194	C2	Â	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX
303	195	C3	Ã	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH TILDE
304	196	C4	Ä	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
305	197	C5	Å	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE
306	198	C6	Æ	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE
307	199	C7	Ç	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA
310	200	C8	È	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH GRAVE
311	201	C9	É	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH ACUTE
312	202	CA	Ê	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX
313	203	CB	Ë	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS
314	204	CC	Ì	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
315	205	CD	Í	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
316	206	CE	Î	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH CIRCUMFLEX
317	207	CF	Ï	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS
320	208	D0	Ð	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH
321	209	D1	Ñ	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH TILDE
322	210	D2	Ò	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH GRAVE
323	211	D3	Ó	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
324	212	D4	Ô	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX
325	213	D5	Õ	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH TILDE
326	214	D6	Ö	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS
327	215	D7	×	MULTIPLICATION SIGN
330	216	D8	Ø	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE
331	217	D9	Ù	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH GRAVE
332	218	DA	Ú	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH ACUTE
333	219	DB	Û	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH CIRCUMFLEX
334	220	DC	Ü	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
335	221	DD	Ý	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE
336	222	DE	Þ	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER THORN
337	223	DF	ß	LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
340	224	E0	à	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH GRAVE
341	225	E1	á	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH ACUTE
342	226	E2	â	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX
343	227	E3	ã	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH TILDE
344	228	E4	ä	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
345	229	E5	å	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE
346	230	E6	æ	LATIN SMALL LETTER AE
347	231	E7	ç	LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA
350	232	E8	è	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE
351	233	E9	é	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE
352	234	EA	ê	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX
353	235	EB	ë	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS
354	236	EC	ì	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
355	237	ED	í	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
356	238	EE	î	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CIRCUMFLEX
357	239	EF	ï	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS
360	240	F0	ð	LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH
361	241	F1	ñ	LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH TILDE
362	242	F2	ò	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH GRAVE
363	243	F3	ó	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
364	244	F4	ô	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX
365	245	F5	õ	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH TILDE
366	246	F6	ö	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS
367	247	F7	÷	DIVISION SIGN
370	248	F8	ø	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE
371	249	F9	ù	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH GRAVE
372	250	FA	ú	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH ACUTE
373	251	FB	û	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH CIRCUMFLEX
374	252	FC	ü	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
375	253	FD	ý	LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE
376	254	FE	þ	LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
377	255	FF	ÿ	LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
.TE
.IP [1] 4
See
.BR groff_char (7)
(soft hyphen) and the standard ISO 8859-1 ("shy",
paragraph 6.3.3)
or the equivalent version from your national standardization body.
.SH "SEE ALSO"
.BR ascii (7),
.BR iso_8859-15 (7)

Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Bjarni Ingi Gislason]

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:58:27AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hi Bjarni,
> 
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
[text removed]
> 
> I've attached the current version of the page. Could you
> send a patch (or an edited version of the page) that amends
> the page as you see necessary. Send the patch/page as an
> ATTACHMENT, so we can avoid any mailer issues.
> 

  Your attachment looks fine to me.

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Re: [patch], iso_8859-*.7: Explanation of SOFT HYPHEN and the code for it

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
<bjarniig-2945IVfuVpf1P9xLtpHBDw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:58:27AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> Hi Bjarni,
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Bjarni Ingi Gislason
> [text removed]
>>
>> I've attached the current version of the page. Could you
>> send a patch (or an edited version of the page) that amends
>> the page as you see necessary. Send the patch/page as an
>> ATTACHMENT, so we can avoid any mailer issues.
>>
>
>   Your attachment looks fine to me.

Good. Thanks for the confirmation, Bjarni.

Cheers,

Michael

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