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* STV_PROTECTED
@ 2015-09-29 10:14 Gabriel Corona
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From: Gabriel Corona @ 2015-09-29 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Hi,

The elf manpage [2] claims that:

> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible, not exported.

However the System V gABI [1] claims that:

> A symbol defined in the current component is protected if it is
> visible in other components but not preemptable

Should the manpage read something like:

> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible but exported.

[1] http://www.sco.com/developers/gabi/2003-12-17/ch4.symtab.html

[2] http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/elf.5.html

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* Re: STV_PROTECTED
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@ 2016-03-09  1:03   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2016-03-09  1:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Gabriel Corona, linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA
  Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w, Mike Frysinger

[CC += Mike]

Hello Gabriel,

On 09/29/2015 12:14 PM, Gabriel Corona wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The elf manpage [2] claims that:
> 
>> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible, not exported.
> 
> However the System V gABI [1] claims that:
> 
>> A symbol defined in the current component is protected if it is
>> visible in other components but not preemptable
> 
> Should the manpage read something like:
> 
>> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible but exported.
> 
> [1] http://www.sco.com/developers/gabi/2003-12-17/ch4.symtab.html
> 
> [2] http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/elf.5.html

I think you are right, but let's see if Mike might confirm,
since he originally added that text. (Mike, I suspect there
was a wordo here.)

Cheers,

Michael


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* Re: STV_PROTECTED
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@ 2016-03-09  5:01       ` Mike Frysinger
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From: Mike Frysinger @ 2016-03-09  5:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
  Cc: Gabriel Corona, linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

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On 09 Mar 2016 02:03, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 09/29/2015 12:14 PM, Gabriel Corona wrote:
> > The elf manpage [2] claims that:
> > 
> >> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible, not exported.
> > 
> > However the System V gABI [1] claims that:
> > 
> >> A symbol defined in the current component is protected if it is
> >> visible in other components but not preemptable
> > 
> > Should the manpage read something like:
> > 
> >> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible but exported.
> > 
> > [1] http://www.sco.com/developers/gabi/2003-12-17/ch4.symtab.html
> > 
> > [2] http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/elf.5.html
> 
> I think you are right, but let's see if Mike might confirm,
> since he originally added that text. (Mike, I suspect there
> was a wordo here.)

i didn't really author that content, but take it from elf.h in glibc:
#define STV_PROTECTED	3		/* Not preemptible, not exported */

and binutils says:
#define STV_PROTECTED	3		/* Treat as STB_LOCAL inside current component */

and llvm says:
  STV_PROTECTED = 3   // Visible in other components but not preemptable

gabi says:
https://refspecs.linuxbase.org/elf/gabi4+/ch4.symtab.html
A symbol defined in the current component is protected if it is visible in other 
components but not preemptable, meaning that any reference to such a symbol from 
within the defining component must be resolved to the definition in that 
component, even if there is a definition in another component that would preempt 
by the default rules. A symbol with STB_LOCAL binding may not have STV_PROTECTED 
visibility. If a symbol definition with STV_PROTECTED visibility from a shared 
object is taken as resolving a reference from an executable or another shared 
object, the SHN_UNDEF symbol table entry created has STV_DEFAULT visibility.

solaris/oracle says:
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26502_01/html/E26507/chapter6-79797.html
A symbol that is defined in the current component is protected if the symbol is 
visible in other components, but cannot be preempted. Any reference to such a 
symbol from within the defining component must be resolved to the definition in 
that component. This resolution must occur, even if a symbol definition exists 
in another component that would interpose by the default rules. A symbol with 
STB_LOCAL binding will not have STV_PROTECTED visibility.

but i think this ibm article is probably the most understandable:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-aix-symbol-visibility/
The symbol is visible outside the current executable or shared object, but it 
may not be overridden. In other words, if a protected symbol in a shared library 
is referenced by an other code in the shared library, the other code will always 
reference the symbol in the shared library, even if the executable defines a 
symbol with the same name.

so while "Not preemptible but exported" is more correct, i'm not sure it's
still all that great.  maybe "Exported; not preemptible in current module." ?
-mike

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* Re: STV_PROTECTED
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@ 2016-03-09 18:26           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2016-03-09 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages), Gabriel Corona, linux-man

Hi Mike,

On 9 March 2016 at 06:01, Mike Frysinger <vapier-aBrp7R+bbdUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 09 Mar 2016 02:03, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> On 09/29/2015 12:14 PM, Gabriel Corona wrote:
>> > The elf manpage [2] claims that:
>> >
>> >> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible, not exported.
>> >
>> > However the System V gABI [1] claims that:
>> >
>> >> A symbol defined in the current component is protected if it is
>> >> visible in other components but not preemptable
>> >
>> > Should the manpage read something like:
>> >
>> >> STV_PROTECTED   Not preemptible but exported.
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.sco.com/developers/gabi/2003-12-17/ch4.symtab.html
>> >
>> > [2] http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/elf.5.html
>>
>> I think you are right, but let's see if Mike might confirm,
>> since he originally added that text. (Mike, I suspect there
>> was a wordo here.)
>
> i didn't really author that content, but take it from elf.h in glibc:
> #define STV_PROTECTED   3               /* Not preemptible, not exported */
>
> and binutils says:
> #define STV_PROTECTED   3               /* Treat as STB_LOCAL inside current component */
>
> and llvm says:
>   STV_PROTECTED = 3   // Visible in other components but not preemptable
>
> gabi says:
> https://refspecs.linuxbase.org/elf/gabi4+/ch4.symtab.html
> A symbol defined in the current component is protected if it is visible in other
> components but not preemptable, meaning that any reference to such a symbol from
> within the defining component must be resolved to the definition in that
> component, even if there is a definition in another component that would preempt
> by the default rules. A symbol with STB_LOCAL binding may not have STV_PROTECTED
> visibility. If a symbol definition with STV_PROTECTED visibility from a shared
> object is taken as resolving a reference from an executable or another shared
> object, the SHN_UNDEF symbol table entry created has STV_DEFAULT visibility.
>
> solaris/oracle says:
> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26502_01/html/E26507/chapter6-79797.html
> A symbol that is defined in the current component is protected if the symbol is
> visible in other components, but cannot be preempted. Any reference to such a
> symbol from within the defining component must be resolved to the definition in
> that component. This resolution must occur, even if a symbol definition exists
> in another component that would interpose by the default rules. A symbol with
> STB_LOCAL binding will not have STV_PROTECTED visibility.
>
> but i think this ibm article is probably the most understandable:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-aix-symbol-visibility/
> The symbol is visible outside the current executable or shared object, but it
> may not be overridden. In other words, if a protected symbol in a shared library
> is referenced by an other code in the shared library, the other code will always
> reference the symbol in the shared library, even if the executable defines a
> symbol with the same name.
>
> so while "Not preemptible but exported" is more correct, i'm not sure it's
> still all that great.  maybe "Exported; not preemptible in current module." ?

Thanks for the detailed confirmation, Mike. I made the text:

                 STV_PROTECTED   Symbol is available in other modules,
                                 but  references  in  the local module
                                 always resolve to the local symbol.

Thanks for the report Gabriel!

Cheers,

Michael

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