From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC91C433E0 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC02083B for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728150AbgHJSV1 (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:21:27 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34476 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728146AbgHJSV0 (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:21:26 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 208 seconds by postgrey-1.37 at lindbergh.monkeyblade.net; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:21:26 PDT Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr (hera.aquilenet.fr [IPv6:2a0c:e300::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B922C061756 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B401146E; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:21:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHBvQ3-qOD4r; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from function (lfbn-bor-1-797-11.w86-234.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.234.239.11]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 723161146D; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from samy by function with local (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k5CQD-00CNeP-Gi; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:21:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:21:21 +0200 From: Samuel Thibault To: Zack Weinberg , Joerg Schilling , Florian Weimer , linux-man , GNU C Library , larryd.kbd@gmail.com, gwc@opengroup.org, austin-group-l@opengroup.org, ajosey@opengroup.org, "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , enh@google.com, Joseph Myers Subject: Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX Message-ID: <20200810182121.msb7mngurj653cau@function> Mail-Followup-To: Samuel Thibault , Zack Weinberg , Joerg Schilling , Florian Weimer , linux-man , GNU C Library , larryd.kbd@gmail.com, gwc@opengroup.org, austin-group-l@opengroup.org, ajosey@opengroup.org, "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , enh@google.com, Joseph Myers References: <6425d636-7f48-3a73-ef0e-7bb5b991360c@gmail.com> <5f3149ad.G/e/1Ac5SJF38sra%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20200810181753.pkoqpkd3k54b6rfj@function> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200810181753.pkoqpkd3k54b6rfj@function> Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170609 (1.8.3) Sender: linux-man-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org Samuel Thibault, le lun. 10 août 2020 20:17:53 +0200, a ecrit: > Zack Weinberg, le lun. 10 août 2020 14:10:42 -0400, a ecrit: > > "control(ler) side" still gives the wrong impression IMNSHO. The > > pty[p-r][0-9a-f] | ptmx devices don't exert any actual control over > > anything. > > ? They do to some extent: writing ^C on that side will send a SIGINT to > the foreground process there (even if owned by another user!). Unless they opened it with O_NOCTTY to avoid letting it be their "controlling terminal". There really is some "control" terminology here, which is initiated by the pty side. Samuel