From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44100C433DF for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E0420756 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728526AbgHKMKE (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:10:04 -0400 Received: from l2mail1.panix.com ([166.84.1.75]:51646 "EHLO l2mail1.panix.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728423AbgHKMKC (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:10:02 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 1119 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:10:02 EDT Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by l2mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BQrlG6QBDzDSb for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix5.panix.com (panix5.panix.com [166.84.1.5]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BQrlF4FZ6zhX2; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix5.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 415) id 4BQrlF5bf4zfYm; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:51:21 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: mtk.manpages@gmail.com Cc: Larry Dwyer , Florian Weimer , linux-man , Geoff Clare , austin-group-l@opengroup.org, Andrew Josey , libc-alpha , Elliot Hughes , Joseph Myers Subject: Re: Pseudoterminal terminology in POSIX Message-ID: <20200811115121.GA29807@panix.com> References: <6425d636-7f48-3a73-ef0e-7bb5b991360c@gmail.com> <20200810135821.GA11918@panix.com> <3ace6e62-d3cc-ef7b-56b2-9b6b5c724d5b@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ace6e62-d3cc-ef7b-56b2-9b6b5c724d5b@gmail.com> Sender: linux-man-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote: > On 8/10/20 3:58 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 04:18:10PM -0700, Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote: > >> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired device > >> files)? > > > > How about the "pty side" and the "tty side"? It seems hard to be more > > neutral than that and we can be sure there is no ambiguity. > > This is an option that came up in the glibc/Linux man-pages discussion. > My objection is that I want proper nouns that one can use in a prose > description of pseudoterminals. All names are proper nouns. They might not be the particular proper nouns that we're used to seeing, but they are still proper nouns! Thor