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Branden Robinson" To: Alejandro Colomar Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/13] libc.7: ffix Message-ID: <20230106001719.imokpcfcqbuuuxka@illithid> References: <20230105225303.bpo7ot4zcsthw2gv@illithid> <7aa64afd-86ea-fa04-9e97-98b60ff8b264@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="366arawetolwk525" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7aa64afd-86ea-fa04-9e97-98b60ff8b264@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org --366arawetolwk525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alex, At 2023-01-06T00:53:11+0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > On 1/5/23 23:53, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > * Set page topic in lowercase. > > * Use typographer's quotation marks instead of '"' for quotation. >=20 > Isn't it equivalent in running text? '"' is simpler to type. No, it's not equivalent anywhere except on the "ascii", "latin1", and "cp1047" output devices. $ groff -man -Tpdf < quote.pdf =2ETH foo 1 2023-01-05 "groff test suite" =2ESH Name foo \- "frobnicate" a \(lqbar\(rq EOF $ evince quote.pdf It _is_ simpler to type just ", and many other man page authors seem to have found it so. That is why I have proposed a `Q` quotation macro, because without it, man page authors seem to forego quotation entirely in favor of italics, bold, or nothing. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2022-12/msg00078.html Historically, TeX-style quotation ``like this'' has been seen in *roff documents, but the practice is almost nonexistent in the Linux man-pages corpus. ``This'' is so ugly on ISO 8859 and later character set-based terminals that I don't wonder why people avoid it. https://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC2/WG3/docs/n411.pdf =2E..is a copy of part 1 of ECMA-94, the gratis equivalent of ISO 8859, and shows what the ' and ` glyphs are supposed to look like. 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