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Branden Robinson" To: Alejandro Colomar Cc: Brian Inglis , Linux Man-Pages Subject: Re: [PATCH] man-pages-posix-2017/man1p/dd.1p: added missing ASCII-EBCDIC tables Message-ID: <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> References: <084cb8c0074b11327c68fb60b9c5c6238eed7df1.1691960082.git.Brian.Inglis@Shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bssas4wq36bnipdb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org --bssas4wq36bnipdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2023-08-13T23:30:30+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > And also, I don't even have the sources, which makes things more > complex. >=20 > I wish that POSIX allowed us to have a copy of the original source > code of the POSIX manual in the git repository. With that, I'd find > it more interesting to maintain the project again. >=20 > I'd also like to know what's the original source code of POSIX's > manual, because it may very well be roff(7). If that happens to be > true, I'd like to have access to that source, instead of the HTML. My understanding from hermetic comments to the Austin Group mailing list over the years is that: 1. they have used groff for many years (a decade or more); 2. they don't use man(7) for their man pages (I was told this directly); and 3. they use (a customized version of) mm(7)--or I _think_ I saw someone say this, but I have no citation and I am not even sure it was an Open Group employee who claimed it. We fixed a bunch of bugs in GNU mm for groff 1.23.0.[1] I wonder if they will be cross with me about that. Even if they didn't rely on any erstwhile misbehavior, the source churned, some internals changed, and if they patched the package, I wouldn't count on the patches still applying cleanly. > Would you mind forwarding my rage towards the Open group, which IMO is > not so open? Maybe scrape off the rage first, or you might get a response from Robert Elz, who is even more cantankerous and writes at even greater length than I do. ;-) Some time ago I solicited bug reports against groff from them. So far, nothing, unless they filed anonymously. Regards, Branden [1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?go_report=3DApply&group=3Dgroff= &func=3Dbrowse&set=3Dcustom&msort=3D0&report_id=3D225&advsrch=3D0&bug_id=3D= &summary=3D&submitted_by=3D0&resolution_id=3D1&assigned_to=3D0&bug_group_id= =3D0&status_id=3D3&severity=3D0&category_id=3D121&plan_release_id=3D103&his= tory_search=3D0&history_field=3D0&history_event=3Dmodified&history_date_day= fd=3D13&history_date_monthfd=3D8&history_date_yearfd=3D2023&chunksz=3D50&sp= amscore=3D5&boxoptionwanted=3D1#options --bssas4wq36bnipdb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEh3PWHWjjDgcrENwa0Z6cfXEmbc4FAmTZVysACgkQ0Z6cfXEm bc4mVw//cJnmiylaav1kRLsFNwF+0Iw0g3CK9OrI47BoUTRPRaDB/3Tz7La27+LS kvcvnIzNHA8b30/JwIEQjc4MsIDr7vaSm3Ci8DMAqo2mulqAkoi7a/IRjnWSb58o E1ONDMzZCJHXQ05CYZvYN6r/6+USNSqTO9F0TFa49aLpk55CtiDkwiU89lQ4Ky/a btjpGr8I8tOzLAZknVNsddpEv8KCN1FYJV/bmfGNvdoRRoW7xvVUY0tE0UKrTcj2 Bmrt27uysCq89OLOJ6NJkQxFNxFwFM0mGg0yGY62YBPuylgM3zE4sLUVu0bPdbIw QHmdfOcUeKydIRKLOp4ButjF5ysp2ltUq1dOeQngRLtnO8Qm/2A7qOjm6j1d5lOX DP4WdKoc36veAjWFooFafS7uFS5IA6PZR4M5Bh28IQmorGQAr1FckiJUnZpIhCn6 ceyKTVGqkqHY9VmtXqceLiE0/ll8MKe+PND2l+XpJpnFD6nxVo9urw23F/6OU5MD Qsco2o+tcde7X3e5YHWghJMV3G1ZadKjIDz5ffJGro8wLbPKXpdMhjLK2G3aXIVx f1pQA755ZyenZiaiYQxlXm98iCexzZjLbelMk21FodUg0G0ihowqRssWrFmHGpJn TOhkd0pf126u5qO+g7oQt16ad2ypf9mCZ2gxNR7CmqkWaSF7dcI= =TPza -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bssas4wq36bnipdb--