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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: "Mikołaj Kołek" <kolek.mikolaj@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: perf_event_open.2: mmap ring buffer requirement for receiving overflow notifications
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 22:29:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241123212912.dyxnou6rbns7xqu7@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHGiy68y37n-y_b0gR-dArxFRzYOAr93dCw_6bvkNReNWQ37Hw@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi Mikołaj,

On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 09:49:40PM +0100, Mikołaj Kołek wrote:
> I have found that when monitoring a file descriptor returned by
> perf_event_open() with poll(), it is required to allocate an mmap ring
> buffer to properly receive overflow notifications. If this is not
> done, poll() keeps continuously returning POLLHUP, even when an
> overflow notification should not be raised. Notably, this behavior is
> different from listening for overflow notifications by setting the
> O_ASYNC flag on the file descriptor - in that case, creating the mmap
> ring buffer is not required to receive the SIGIO signal delivered
> after the file descriptor becomes available for reading. I attach code
> showcasing this behavior (the functionality is explained in the
> comments).
> 
> This behavior by itself is not a problem, however, in the current
> state of the perf_event_open man page, it's not documented, and in
> fact, there are confusing statements that seem to contradict my
> findings. In the MMAP layout section of the page, you can find this
> sentence:
> Before Linux 2.6.39, there is a bug that means you must allocate
> an mmap ring buffer when sampling even if you do not plan to
> access it.
> Unless I'm somehow misunderstanding it, this statement does not seem
> to be well worded, or alternatively this bug does not seem to be
> fixed. I would not call simply using poll() on the file descriptor
> intent to access the ring buffer (unless it's meant to be understood
> that way, in which case, in my opinion, it's quite confusing).
> Additionally, I cannot find any change in Linux 2.6.39 that would fit
> this description (however, that is likely just due to my lack of
> experience searching through the kernel changelogs and commits).
> 
> I would like to receive clarification on whether this current behavior
> of perf_event_open is intentional and desired (that is why I cc'd
> linux-perf-users). If it is, I could also create a patch to the man
> page that lays out the requirements more clearly. In that case, it
> would also be helpful to further clarify the wording of the sentence
> mentioning the Linux 2.6.39 change, however I don't know if I'm
> qualified to do that, because as I have previously stated, I am unable
> to find what changes that sentence actually refers to.

I don't know.  Kernel maintainers may be able to respond much better
than me.  I see you've CCed their list, so they'll hopefully answer.

Have a lovely night!
Alex



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  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-23 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-23 20:49 perf_event_open.2: mmap ring buffer requirement for receiving overflow notifications Mikołaj Kołek
2024-11-23 21:29 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2024-11-26  5:42 ` Namhyung Kim
2024-11-26 10:15   ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-11-26 22:13 ` Vince Weaver
2024-12-02 20:53   ` Namhyung Kim
2024-12-04 12:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-04 19:30       ` Namhyung Kim

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